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Financial manipulation adult son
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Hi, I have just blocked all contact with my 35-year-old son who for quite some time has been (don't want to call it financially abusing because I have willingly given him the money) but manipulating, guilting, for want of better words and I am now feeling extremely guilty and heartbroken for having done this and want to know if anyone else has done similar and how they have overcome the guilt, grief of losing their child.
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Hi Beth, welcome
That is very sad and I send my sympathy as its a hurtful situation.
Briefly, so you can compare. After 14 years of tolerating abuse from my youngest daughter I had to cut her free. At 14yo she rang me (had her every 2nd w/end) to tell me "I dont want to see you anymore" I believe it was a result of demonising me from her mother as there was nothing untoward with her weekends with me. Besides it was a complete cut off not a "I just want to see you less as I'm bored etc". But every 2 years or so she'd message me on FBook and chat for 7-10 days, we'd talk about seeing each other, starting fresh etc. Then for no reasons she'd block me.
In 2020 she did it again and it lasted 10 days then- gone. She's never give me her phone number, address for birthday cards etc, always FBook as she had the power, to block me/unblock me. I have always battled mental health issues, bipolar etc so emotionally it was the last straw and then blocked her so when and if she wanted to connect she couldnt. That was 6 years ago. How have I been? well you tend to divert your attention towards good, loving less stressful people in your life. Some days are bad, lik when I recall the times I'd carry her on my shoulder, protect her from a snake or watch her sucking her thumb... or when she was 4yo sucking her thumb a few weeks after I left the family home and she said "we want to keep you". Heartbreaking.
So our kids grow up and are not the baby we once knew, we cant live our lives as if they still are, we only hope. But as adults they test the waters until our limits are reached. Guilt plays a big part in all this. He knows you'll feel guilty and sadly he also knows he has a lot of wrongdoing with his persistence. We parents have limits and you know what? Thats normal, you cant be expected to be stretched further than your loving elastic band will go! It's "unreasonable expectations" so you have to let him go and hope that one day he'll accept that he extended your loving heart beyond the realm of how much a parent can take.
Think of the extremes- had you continued (hypothetically) to the point whereby you said to him, "if I give you $10,000 this time and it meant selling my house and me renting, would you accept the money?" and "if I had to rent would you pay some of the rent as paying me back"? This is the test. You dont need to ask him, you can imagine if his sense of responsibility is high enough to say "yes". If not then how can you continue to help him financially?
We have a saying here about mental health- "like yourself and take care of YOU". That's because many here are empathetic people that help others while they need help themselves. To think of others before ourselves is an amazing quality but it has a downside in "will they think of you the same amount if you needed them"? Now its not a weighing scale of giving, its to place yourself in the line of thinking that can you sustain the level of giving to a reasonable level or will your kindness keep going until you end up worse off where your quality of life suffers?
In this case I assume he works or has such capacity. It is far more appropriate to say to him "I'm not a bank, thats what banks are for".
I knew a single mum that worked in Govt for 30 years, she retired with a very good self funded amount. 80% gone in 3 years to fund her sons gambling habits. She ended up with a low pension while he, an engineer had an income 4 times more than hers. The sad part- he didnt think for a moment about that, he didnt care so no repaying of any money. That's not theft, its not greed, it's inconsideration and that word means- the care is one way. Please read-
https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/guilt-the-tormentor/td-p/321604
"Hard love come from a child's lack of boundaries of expectations rather than a parent saying "sorry, no" (TonyWK)
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TonyWK
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Thank you so much. It's been an absolutely dreadful day as I got sucked in again to the detriment of my husband walking off and basically telling me I can't do it and my son knows that and perhaps I need to book myself into hospital. I am absolutely shattered and having stopped bawling my eyes out.
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Hi Beth
Please, you can ring Call Beyondblue 1300 224 636 and chat to someone here. This crisis will blow over. A cuppa together and low soft voices will work wonders.
TonyWK
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Hi, just wanted to know if others have experienced their partner not understanding depression and ssying hurtful things like no pills no therapy no psychiatrist can fix it but you, stop it, not going through this again, I’ve had enough meaning him, you’ve got nothing to be depressed about plus putting me down with you’re the most negative person I know etc. and how you’ve dealt with it. It’s breaking my heart as I love him so much but saying things like what do you expect people to do. Feel sorry for you give you sympathy etc. just wanted to put it out there and hoping I’m not on my own.
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You are not alone. People don’t understand depression. I do get hurtful things said to me by my partner too. I am on medication but doesn’t help that much.
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Hi BethD.
Having dealt with the ins and outs of depressions since my late teens (I'm a 55yo gal now), I've heard plenty of non raising comments and pieces of 'advice'. Anything that's going to basically leave us vibing at the same depressing level or anything that's going to bring us down further, technically doesn't raise us in any way. Took me decades to reach this conclusion, as opposed to always thinking 'What's wrong with me?'.
In a way, you could say 'There's nothing wrong with me if I have the ability to feel something depressing going on'. What's wrong involves not being able to identify exactly what it is that's depressing. You could ask 'Does it involve physical/chemical factors, mental factors or some other factors or a whole combo of things?'. Next lot of questions can involve 'Who the heck do I actually need to see, to help me identify what's depressing? Do I need to see a GP, a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a chemist (to right my chemistry), a guidance counselor, a life coach, someone who's just basically good for the soul or someone else?'. Another lot of questions, when on the hunt for clues as to what's depressing, 'Could it involve some of my ingrained belief systems that I was raised with, my environment, some of the people around me or something else? Could I be feeling some of the depressing side effects of ADHD or sleep apnea or a serious undiagnosed vitamin or mineral deficiency? '. And on and on it goes, this quest with so many questions aimed at figuring out exactly what's depressing. One of the most significant questions is 'Who's helping me figure it out?'. If the answer is 'It's definitely not my partner', the goal then becomes about developing a list of 'go to' people who we can go to to help us and (most importantly) developing a list of people to definitely not go to because they are depressing.
One of my most liberating revelations, 'Never go to depressing people if you want to be raised out of a depression. They can be seriously depressing at times and incredibly unhelpful, that's for sure'. Btw, anyone who says 'You've got nothing to be depressed about' is 100% flat out wrong. If there was nothing to be depressed about we wouldn't be feeling the depression we're in. Again, the question comes down to 'Why are we in it?'.
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It is truly remarkable how you separate his words from who he is and his character. Your statement, “I love him so much” shows a level of benevolence in you and I deeply admire your love towards him despite what he says to you. While the world would be a better place if everyone shared your compassion, the reality is that many people struggle to say the "right" thing when they themselves are dealing with their own issues. For most of us, it is very hard to handle harsh criticism. In close relationships, boundaries often blur, making it easy to slip into unsolicited advice or "tough love." He may be feeling a deep sense of powerlessness—watching someone he cares about suffer and being unable to "fix" it like a broken appliance. Often, that frustration manifests as aggression.
Does he know how deeply these comments affect you?
Since you are hurting right now, it might be helpful to prioritize your own emotional safety without waiting for him to change. My therapist always says: “Let go of what you cannot control and redirect that energy toward what you can.”
These are the steps I was told I could take as a healing practice;
- Feel the sting.
- Breathe and do not answer yet.
- Name the emotion: “hurt,” “anger,” or “shame.”
- Separate the words from your self-worth.
- Respond only if needed, and only to what is useful.
- Healing: once you name the painful emotions, you embrace the pain and take good care of the feelings with the practice of compassion and loving kindness, like a mother coming to hold her crying baby. Telling our painful emotions, "Darling I know you suffer. That is why I am here for you."
If you are interested in exploring this further, I highly recommend searching for “Practicing with Unpleasant Emotions” by Thich Nhat Hanh. He teaches that even insults can be transformed into opportunities to cultivate compassion and heal a relationship.
I hope you and your partner can overcome this challenge together soon.
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Hi,
I just want to know how to stop feeling guilty like grief like, missing my son who I chose to block for financial manipulation issues which have been going on for over 15 years. I have photos of him that I look at as I pass them and I ask myself how did it get to this. Has anyone else blocked a family member and then grieved, missed, and felt guilty about doing so.
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Likewise I am on medication but can't handle the hurtful comments. How do you cope?
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