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I struggle to feel part of any group
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Even on BB I struggle with this. I think there is a part of me that doesn't want to commit to a group's thinking or values. It may be an arrogance thing or even an inferiority complex masked as arrogance. That's why I can't be completely happy at any workplace, church or hobby group. I've been to countless churches but in the end I'll say to myself "oh but I can't accept that part of their doctrine". At work, it'll be 'oh that boss doesn't really like me much or respect my performance" or "these colleagues look down on me". Also intolerance on my part. "oh that person just gets on my nerves." And I know I probably get on their nerves too.
In my huge family of 4 brothers and 3 sisters, I choose to remain an outsider. I don't really connect with any of them anymore. And I am very careful to not tell them any juicy gossip such as my current state of unemployment. (they all live interstate). So overall I see this pattern of wanting to stay an outsider, a loner. Maybe I feel afraid for others to see the real me. Or in fact for the others to see the real me on a regular basis. I've found you have to especially wear a mask with family, because they are highly judgemental. Mental illness is not prevalent in our family. It's a more competitive "don't let the team down" kind of atmosphere. least that's the way I see it. There are some high achievers in my family which makes me feel inferior and unsuccessful. And a very low incidence of being out of work. So I would be seen now as a slacker, which is partly what I think of myself anyway.
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Hello Scotchfinger
There are a couple of observations I want to make. Since you started to post on BB the content of your messages has changed. Originally, like many people, you had short posts with fairly bald statements. Now your posts are longer, raise different issues and topics, acknowledge the feelings of others and offer care and support. I call that an amazing change and more importantly, a huge connection with BB.
It can be difficult to write here and put across your point of view without sounding arrogant because the nuances of speech are missing. We take this so much for granted that we automatically put in the tone of voice etc when we read what someone has written, and often we add the wrong inflection. Your comments, as I have already said, have changed during the time you have written here.
Accepting everything someone says is almost impossible. I attend a church and I have deep convictions about my beliefs. Everyone has slightly different views. A group of women has been meeting at my home for the past 4-5 years to discuss the bible and other aspects of our spiritual lives. Sometimes the conversation gets quite involved. What makes it work is that we respect each others point of view and accept each other for who we are rather than who we think they ought to be.
I imagine this is the sort of group interaction that would satisfy you. The only really hard and fast rule is to treat each other with courtesy. If you do not accept every bit of a doctrine, fine. There is nothing to say you must do so. I am quite certain I have worked with various colleagues who hold no particular brief for me, and the feeling is probably mutual. So what? We can still work together without fighting.
Family expectations are very powerful factors in our lives. My sister was quite dismissive of me attending university in my 50s. Why did I want to do that? My mother was just plain disinterested. But this was something I wanted to do so I persevered. I just did not talk about it with them and found other common ground.
I'm pretty certain that if we were to meet we would find topics of interest to both of us and I'm equally certain there would be matters where we would have "full and frank" discussions. It's what makes us human and what stimulates us to think more deeply, delve into our humanness (if that's a word), live as fully as possible and make ourselves better people.
Mental illness often exacerbates our worst characteristics but we are still good people.
Mary
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Scotchfinger....coming from such a large family of brothers and sisters...no wonder your inclination has always been to hang onto your individuality and uniqueness at all costs! Whether you "feel" a part of any group or not....you are my friend...you are part of this group..and just by existing....you are part of human-kind. We all have a secret, private place within ourselves that we show to no-one..no-one! It would be impossible to totally agree,and feel exactly the same as anyone else in any sort of "group" e.g. work, church, social club, and especially "family". I am one of three - and have absolute NOTHING in common with either of them. No characteristics, life experiences, points of view, hobbies, ambitions - even looks! Totally different! We care about each other sure...and have the same parents in common...but that's about it!!
Cherish your individuality Scotchfinger....you are part of "it".....you belong. don't forget "you are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and stars, you have a right to be here"...........
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Accepting everything someone says is almost impossible. I attend a church and I have deep convictions about my beliefs. Everyone has slightly different views. A group of women has been meeting at my home for the past 4-5 years to discuss the bible and other aspects of our spiritual lives. Sometimes the conversation gets quite involved. What makes it work is that we respect each others point of view and accept each other for who we are rather than who we think they ought to be. Mary
Interesting to read that you attend such a group Mary. I think I'd like to be a member of a spiritual group that respects different points of view. I for instance, don't hold that the bible is the indisputable truth and I imagine that might irk some members. But there is so much inspiration we can get from it.
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Thanks Scotchfinger.
It is indeed a privilege to be part of this group. We have been through a lot together and they have supported me in my depression and pain. Not by saying or doing things in particular. In fact my problems have rarely been mentioned as such, but I know they are there. After I discovered I had breast cancer I did not make one journey to hospitals and doctors on my own. Someone always drove me, although this included people outside this group, and this was particularly fantastic when I started radiation treatment as I needed to attend daily. The treatment made me tired so not needing to drive was a huge relief.
I think we have put the world right a few times. There are many views of the accuracy of the bible and its place in both Jewish and Christian traditions. We are more focused on what it says rather than literalness. Just lately we have started to read spiritual books and discovering what other writers have to say. Unfortunately BB is not an appropriate forum for this sort of discussion otherwise I would be happy to discuss these issues.
Perhaps one of your local churches has one or more home groups who would welcome your attendance.
Mary
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