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Hi. As far back as I remember I've always had a bit of anxiety and social anxiety. Recently I've gone through anxiety disorder and it's none stop and also a bit from genetics. I've gone to about 4 psychology sessions and what my biggest issue is the thoughts that come with the anxiety. Last year I had depression, I don't have it anymore but now when I get anxious my brain goes, "you can't live like this", "what if it gets too much", "death is the only option." And I'm secure enough in myself to know I would never do anything, but I'm wondering if people get similar thoughts? Bc apart of my brain goes, well that's the only answer but I know it's not and so I'm also wondering if these thoughts are happening because of the depression I had last year? Bc a part of me worries why I am getting these thoughts, are they normal? The anxiety itself is liveable, it's the thoughts that are too much and make my anxiety worse and my psychologist tells me I need to not run away from the thoughts but I get scared thinking about them.
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A very warm welcome to you at a time in your life where you're determined to start managing your inner dialogue, something that can be a major challenge at times.
Of course, everyone's got their own way of managing their inner dialogue. Personally, I've found sometimes it pays to stretch the imagination when it comes to managing. Some people choose to imagine the old 'devil on one shoulder/angel on the other'. Others imagine different parts or facets of themself, such as their inner stresser, inner critic, inner adventurer or inner whatever chatting away. There are those who imagine divine guidance and not such divine guidance and those who imagine the 2 hemispheres of the brain interacting (the logical side and the more emotional or intuitive side in some cases). When it comes to inner dialogue and whatever it is chatting away up there in our head, imagining can be a way of managing.
Whatever it is saying to you 'You can't live like this' has a point. Maybe it's your wise inner sage or simply the logical part of your brain. If you were to ask 'Okay, if I can't live like this, how do I need to live and thrive?' and see what comes to mind. What comes to mind may be along the lines of 'It's time to develop some skills and abilities when it comes to how to feel'. If 'What if it gets too much?' is coming from your inner stresser, reassure your inner stresser you have a plan. 'If it gets too much, I'm going to take a bit of a time out and distract myself with ______. I got this, I can handle it or I'll seek guidance and support of some someone who can help me handle it'. Whatever it is dictating 'Death is the only option', to that I would say 'Get the hell out of my head! That's never going to be a part of the plan'. But if it's about death of the old (stressful and potentially depressing ways), then that's a whole other story. If it's about giving birth to new ways of managing life, then that's definitely a constructive option.
At the end of the day, who knows where out inner dialogue's coming from but the moment we identify it or give it an identity of some type, it can become easier to manage. Whether we identify it as the right half of our brain making our life hell or we label it as our 'brutal and depressing inner critic', doesn't matter. Sometimes what matters is how we talk back to it. 'Shut the hell up, you're doing my head in' can be a good start.
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Hello Guest_44066160 and wave to therising,
I very much relate to the thoughts you describe and have pretty much had the same feelings and words in my head. I have also dealt with both depression and anxiety. I can share what I've learned about myself, in case it helps, keeping in mind it is what has made sense for me.
With depression I have experienced this as a form of collapse and freeze, whereas with anxiety it is a much more active state (e.g. fight-or-flight). I've learned quite a bit about the Window of Tolerance model which you may find helpful to google. When the nervous system is too activated in one direction it tends to go into the fight-or-flight response, and if that goes on for too long it can go into a kind of freeze response which for me is when my system goes into depression. In order to get back to some kind of homeostasis, the body has to pass from the depression through anxiety (fight-or-flight) before it gets back into balance. So sometimes coming out of a depression can feel stressful when passing through the anxiety phase, especially if you get stuck there for a while.
What I have gradually learned over time is distress tolerance - the ability to understand that my body is trying to communicate with me about perceived threats and that I'm not really in danger, but my body is bringing up those feelings. I'm learning to just be present with the feelings and allow them to release when they are ready. But sometimes I can feel stuck again and kind of shift between depression and anxiety. The worst thoughts are from the depression which is the really stuck phase, but as I start to come out of the depression, that is when those thoughts get really active (because fight-or-flight is a much more active state). So it's like a physical patterning in the body that I've become aware of and I'm learning to ride the waves of those patterns without judging them and being kind to the messages from my body and mind which are actually, in their own way, trying to help me. In a sense I'm learning to care for my inner anxieties and thoughts as I would for a small child I was supporting. I have learned to be much more nurturing towards myself, and in that process the nervous system does learn to start calming down.
Those are just some thoughts from what is working for me. But what also helps and is integral for me is co-regulation. That is where your psychologist comes in. Ideally they should be really attuning with you which helps your nervous system to feel safe. So it's not just a case of not running away from thoughts, but being able to sit with thoughts and feelings with a safe other. Quite literally our nervous systems align with one another, and just having someone else be present with you can be the catalyst for the nervous system beginning to know safety. The more this happens, the more safe we feel, and the more confident and less anxious our mind and body become. With my psychologist I have learned to actually cry and be vulnerable in front of another person for like the first time ever. I just never did that with anyone before. That begins to break down the inner resistance to feeling my own feelings and knowing my own thoughts. I'm not saying you need to cry in front of your psychologist, though its's completely fine if you do, but that they can provide a safe holding space in which you can learn to release the anxious holding patterns and recurrent thoughts. You might be able to talk with your psych about the Window of Tolerance and co-regulation which they will probably know about. Take care and all the best.
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Hi there,
Welcome to the forums and thanks for your post!
I also relate to what you have described, especially as someone who has struggled with both depression and anxiety. I do believe that in these struggles, the negative thoughts we experience are normal in the midst of feeling really sad and/or anxious. I sometimes get thoughts like 'I can't do this' or 'what if my anxiety gets worse again' which is really daunting of course and similar to the thoughts you said you experience. I think they tend to resurface if you are struggling to believe in yourself or paying too much attention to the negativity (this is my theory, however I am speaking from experience). It can be worrying when the inner thoughts get too much. Something that has helped me and something I do regularly is try to challenge them. I say to myself 'I'm capable and I can do this' or 'I'm safe and I'm going to be ok'. I think reassuring yourself is key. At the end of the day, they are just thoughts, not reality. They're negative and they don't mean anything. Don't give any power to them.
Wishing you the best,
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