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Mindfulness: What Is It? (Even if you dont know please post so we can help grow the forums accordingly)
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Hi Everybody
This is only the basic dictionary definition...
"Mindfulness is a state of active, open attention on the present. When you're mindful, you observe your thoughts and feelings from a distance without judging them good or bad. Instead of letting your life pass you by, mindfulness means living in the moment without judgement"
- Please be as blunt you wish....If you dont have an idea about mindfulness it would be great if you could let us know
- If mindfulness hasnt worked/or is too broad a concept for you it would great if you can let us know your thoughts too
- If mindfulness has helped you, please help others to help themselves by posting how you have embraced this mindset
It goes without saying that the forums are a judgement free zone and I really hope that everyone can jump in and have their say
Your input is highly valued no matter how you respond to this topic. There are no experts here...New Posters are Most Welcome!!
My Kindest Thoughts
Paul
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The way I practise mindfulness is to be aware of my thoughts whether they are about the past, the present, or the future. I have also learnt about the tricks of the mind such as negative bias and try to see my experience holistically, a balance of positives and negatives. I have also learned through meditation how to focus my attention outwardly when I want to be present to external stimuli or inwardly when I want to process my thoughts. I practise slow thinking reflection and have good analytical skills.
I live by three key principles: live consciously, live responsibly, live independently. I could write a book on these principles and how they guide my behaviour, thoughts and feelings. These three principles are necessary for adult living. Would love to talk more on this if anyone is interested.
i
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Hi HSP
Thanks for your post hsp. You have brought up some interesting coping mindsets
'Slow thinking reflection' is similar to what I have been doing...I think...
' live consciously, live responsibly, live independently'.....these are very good points hsf and reflect mindfulness. If you have any tips on these you are more than welcome to elaborate
I hope you day is good to you
Paul
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Hi Paul. I would love to elaborate a little. Living consciously is about having awareness and insight to both the external world and my internal world. In the external world I am very conscious of the manipulations, game playing, brainwashing, exploitations, and other injustices in the world. For example, the political games that are played hide the truth about how I think we should live. I subscribe to holistic values based on truth and balance and assessment of priorities. I love the planet. I care about myself in relation to people. I value technology that promotes better ways of living. I prefer an economy that does not cause damage or harm. And I want a culture that is based on truth.
consciousness is about contents as well as processes. I have spent a good deal of effort getting rid of rubbish from my mind and taking in that which I test and believe to be true and accurate. So many people's heads are filled with rubbish. The processes include foresight, hindsight, insight, and oversight, which is seeing the big picture.
the bottom line is that the mind is an organ that must be exercised in order for it to be healthy. I have developed the exercises and I practise regularly.
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Paul
I have just discovered this thread and you may have been reading my mind. I have tried mindfulness in many forms . read books. listened to experts, but have never found it useful. Maybe I am doing it wrong or maybe it does not work for everyone.
An example- I read that if yiu find other thoughts coming into to your mind , imagine a bin and put those thoughts in it. My mind started asking what sort of bin? big bin, what colour.etc etc. You can see my churning mind is a problem.
I suppose I can do deep breathing and concentrate on being in the now but I will be distracted and will never reach the state of mindfulness.
I find that all this pressure to do mindfulness means that people like me will feel we have failed when in reality we all do things in our own way.
I hope that makes sense.
Quirky
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Hi quirkywords, I know exactly what you mean. I'm not an expert but I felt a lot of pressure at the start too - but I think the trick is to not DO anything about the thoughts that pop in, just notice them and kind of let them come and go while you focus on your breathing.
I was told to breathe in for 4 seconds, hold for 2 and exhale for 6 - and I got obsessed with forcing my breath to match the numbers - not very relaxing!
Instead you just NOTICE that some breaths are longer or deeper than others - don't WORRY about it!
Part of being mindful is noticing "there's a deeper breath" "there's a thought about the shopping" etc. So you're noticing everything but not focussing or obsessing on any of it.
That's what I've worked on anyway,
J.
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Hi Quirkywords,
The concept of mindfulness is relatively new to the western way of thinking. Like all things that do work, it has been exploited and (as TheAbyss feels) rammed down our throats. Those intent on cashing in on it have turned it into a complicated process, perhaps in order to be perceived as knowledgeable and gain influence. Everybody seems to have an opinion as to how to practice it. Instead of being, it has been turned into a lot of doing...which defies the purpose entirely. For example, noticing an arising thought is mindfulness. Throwing it in a bin is acting on that thought, becoming entangled in it : judging it as undesirable, tossing it out (an act of repression) and wanting it to stay on the trash heap. That's a lot of emotions involved...the opposite of mindfulness.
I agree with Hsp. At its best, it is awareness of both the external and internal worlds. As long as it remains pure perception, that is emotion free (that's the catch !). The mind rules via the emotions. Suppressing those cannot work (we are not robots). Watching them acknowledges their existence. In that brief moment of observation, they temporarily disappear. It is a here it goes moment, as opposed to here I go. Detachment.
Much pressure is self-imposed, wanting to achieve too much too soon. But taming the mind is incredibly difficult. It takes years of patient, consistent work.
We want results, control over a rogue beast. It doesn't take many attempts to take measure of the brute force we are dealing with, of how devious it is. So we throw our hands up and declare it is "not for me". And so the master wins over its slave.
Keeping it simple, immersing ourselves in the moment (music, exercise, art, nature...whatever can easily capture and anchor full attention is a good start. Engaging the senses in a simple activity like washing up dishes, feeling the temperature of the water, the soapiness, the hardness of food bits stuck on a plate, smelling the washing up liquid, noticing bubbles form into patterns, the shifting of the patterns etc... anchors the mind instead of letting it wander where it will.
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Thanks starwolf
You have explained mindfulness for me.
It seems just like concentrating and not being distracted but with a fancy name?
Quirky
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Yes, Quirkywords, something like that. As long as concentration is not forced at all cost. That's repression, pressure.
Mr Walker has the right idea about this observing/ noticing by engaging the senses, not the mind. Not engaging the mind can be done by recalling it to the next breath, the next move, the next thing we do or observe. Observing variations in breathing patterns comes easier than forcing a particular breathing pattern on the mind and maintaining it. That's pressure, extra stress, frustration etc...At first, the trick is not to let the mind get bored with any particular thing. Because it will then want to stray. If focusing on breath becomes too tedious, move on to a different anchor of your choice, may it be listening to music, making a bed with all senses alert or going for a mindful walk. Stretching the limits of our attention span must be done slowly. As Paul so often reminds us, being kind to ourselves goes a long way.
And if the word "mindfulness" has too many negative associations, why not use another of your choice ? I used to see the practice as giving myself a break (from a pesky tyrant with neurotic tendencies). It somehow made hard work sound more attractive...a reward in itself.
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Thanks Starwolf and Mr walker and everyone for their contributions.
I just find everyone seems to talking about, recommending, writing books on, taking classes in Mindfulness to the extent one feels under pressure.
If it is simply being in the moment doing something we already do, why the need for all the books . workshops etc?
I do appreciate your patience but I worry it is the latest buzz word ( in the west, as I know it has been around for thousands of years in Eastern philosophy) and will be replaced by the next new thing with more books to buy etc.
I still cant see much difference between meditation and mindfulness.
Thanks for this thread .
Quirky
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Hey quirky,
I have been thinking about this topic for a few days. And this thought came to my mind. Just casually grab a piece of fruit. An apple maybe, then look at the colours on the outside of it. Mmm... I will actually just go get an apple now. Be back soon........