And now for something completely different..............

[CrashCoyote]

This thread is designed for people that are lonely, or bored, or just want to exercise their mind a bit. It only has three rules. It is not a place to discuss our issues (everywhere else on the site is for that!), it is not for people to use their own situation as an example - if you want to make a point, be objective and, it is not personal, so just respect everyone's point of view and let's play a bit of Devil's Advocate along the way.

I'll kick it off. 

If we accept the Darwinism and the Big Bang theory, everything originated from an explosion of all known matter in the universe from an unimaginably hot ball. If everything was made of inanimate particles; How was life created?

Kind regards, John.

[CrashCoyote]

I think the egg. (Assuming evolution!!) There was a pattern at any point along the line of bird and egg that a bird laid an egg and another bird came from it. Working backwards, it stands to reason that a bird that was not a chicken - but about to evolve into one - laid an egg that, when hatched, was a chicken. The egg and next chicken followed and so on. Viola!

[Frann]

Hi John,

Pretty much how I think about it only I didn't know about the original chicken being a bird and not a chicken ....

[geoff]

dear John, thanks for that, but who were Clan McDucks parents not that it really matters as it's only a hypothetical question, but it's only been 60 years to wonder who they were.

One question leads to another question. Geoff.

[turtl3]

i personally think the chicken must have come first. if the egg came first, there could have been anything in it - a turtle, a snake, a platypus...whats to say there would have ever been a chicken!?! the chicken would have slowly evolved, and/or devolved from a prehistoric dinosaur.

and given the fertile chicken egg is the outcome of reproduction, there must have been a rooster AND a chicken for 'said egg' to have been laid in the first place.

[CrashCoyote]

I believe the chicken is part of the evolution of the bird, so the egg from a predecessor bird could not have contained a turtle, a snake, or a platypus. I cannot imagine that a bird that was not born a chicken evolved into one in it's lifespan of roughly ten or so years. I can imagine a pre-chicken type bird laying an egg whose embryo developed to be slightly more like a chicken and, over time, getting to a point where one of those eggs was a chicken as we know it.

[turtl3]

no, the egg from a predecessor bird could not have contained one of the animals mentioned above. i think the question needs to be more specific - which came first, the chicken or the CHICKEN egg??

I vaguely remember watching some wild documentary that showed evidence of raptor type dinosaurs actually being covered in feathers, no scaly skin. but when you look at pterodactyls they were like gigantic pelican-bats? so maybe at one point or another birds genetically evolved to be raptor like creatures (like the modern day emus and cassowaries, from velociraptors and the likes) or maybe it was vice versa.

did everything evolve from one species to adapt to its environmental surroundings?

[CrashCoyote]

I see your point and there is no definitive way one could tell from the start whether it was the chicken or the chicken egg that first existed, but in the absence of another belief (aside from that pesky creationism) my reasoning is sound. Yes?

[White_Rose]

In my previous post I asked "Can anyone tell me where the "known matter" came from? It's generally accepted that the Earth and its flora and fauna evolved over 7.5 billion years.(May have the exact number wrong). But where did the original matter that started this evolution process, come from?"

Can anyone answer that please?  I don't mean the big bang theory as this supposes matter was already present to produce the 'big bang'. Where did the materials come from that produced the big bang?

Mary

[Frann]

Hey Mary,

According to Richard Dawkins ( I've watched him on Q& A a couple of times and he just makes sense to me - watch the podcasts if you haven't and might be interested)

"Far from being a once-in-a-million event that could only be accounted for by extraordinary serendipity or a divine hand, the Big Bang was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics. Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist, It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the Universe going,” . 

Difficult to comprehend though. 

Frann

[geoff]

dear Mary, well I've gone searching for an answer to your question, and we are only around in circles, not that there is anything wrong with this, no different than a religious person arguing with a atheist, however there is information on the net that explains an answer, and whether we want to believe it or not is up to the person, so I will just copy and paste some articles,

, life began by natural causes from non living matter; then gradually that original life changed till from it came all the modern kinds of plants and animals including man.

So how would we ever know, theories, beliefs, religious beliefs taught to us at a young age, or perhaps what the scientists have to suggest.

If we are brought up in a strict religion then we are indoctrinated into growing up with this religion and then believe what their church tells, I had better stop here because I'm sorry if I offended anyone and what they believe in, so can I just finish by saying that I did chemistry in the latter years of at school, and what you can achieve by mixing 2 chemicals can produce something else.

Please forgive me if the information I have quoted is incorrect, and please in no way was the intention to upset anyone. Geoff.

Somehow, probably in the first billion years of our world's existence, that promise was fulfilled. A nondescript glob of chemicals crossed some vague and wondrous boundary to become the first living thing. From such unfeeling chemicals, Earth eventually filled with a teeming diversity of life, from microbes to Men. - "In the beginning," Robert Locke (Ft. Wayne News-Sentinel, 1/26/80)

So I have just googled your question which I'm sure that others may have as well, that is it check out 'original matter that started this evolution process'.

I don't want to get into an argument about God's direct involvement, all kinds of plants and animals were created from the very beginning (vv 11f,20f,24f), but being an atheist they say, and it's not the only thought of contention, however, 'religious people wait for scientists to discover laws and facts in nature .. and then open their old "holy' books and simply say: it's in the word of God from the start.

So, whatever the question is .. the answers are: 1 - God 2 - God did it 3 - God said it