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Just Sara A Bouquet for Pearls - share your appreciation for other members
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Every now and then, members share a beautiful Pearl of Wisdom. How often do you think to yourself; "OMG that's great! I wish everyone could see this." Presenting someone with a bunch of flowers is a generous way of acknowledging their insightful word... View more

Every now and then, members share a beautiful Pearl of Wisdom. How often do you think to yourself; "OMG that's great! I wish everyone could see this." Presenting someone with a bunch of flowers is a generous way of acknowledging their insightful words. I hope this thread stays active through members giving out praise regularly to people they feel deserving, and therefore keep generosity of spirit alive within the pages of BeyondBlue Forum. My bunch of Red Roses (my choice) goes to Wishful for the following sentence; 'Personally, I see no reason to be praised in me, but I'm learning that seeing through the eyes of others can be more accurate!!' I so hear you Wishful. Just beautiful... Try to keep your leading comments short to focus on 'their' words. Choose specific flowers (or a gift if you like) to present to them. Sign off respectfully and sincerely. I hope this takes off... Spreading the love...Sara

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white knight SILENCE- The bad and the good
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There is not many more effective tools of trade for a nasty person than- silence. I’m an expert, not of using silence as a weapon, but of being the victim. My ex wife was raised by a mother that did cruel things, stole her pocket money, elbowed her a... View more

There is not many more effective tools of trade for a nasty person than- silence. I’m an expert, not of using silence as a weapon, but of being the victim. My ex wife was raised by a mother that did cruel things, stole her pocket money, elbowed her as she walked along the hallway, read her diary etc to the extent that one day as a teenager she decided that her mother could do anything to her but she would never be able to penetrate her mind. This determination and toleration led to my ex wife to develop the perfect defence mechanism which over time she ended up using as part of our daily lives in our marriage. Any objection, raising of the voice, disapproval, disagreeing…anything- led to silence. After 7 years of such behaviour I realised, after our many counselling sessions, that this would not abate. It was me that had to change, change by not having any anger, showing disappointment, etc. Sadly as divorced parents the same problem continued when trying to discuss our childrens needs. Any discussion was decided upon on her terms. There are positives in everything if we look hard enough. Silence means no arguments! One day my eldest daughter at 16yo was distressed about something. She didn’t like a restriction I put in place. She ran off towards a creek. I followed about 50 metres away. She sat at waters edge and cried for about 2 hours. She kept glancing at me as I sat and waited, not a word. Finally she walked up to me and said “why are you here”. I opened my arms. Job done, all good. Love needs no words. In my many jobs I’ve found silence is an art form. In the workplace you often get the ladder climbers, seeking promotion or just bosses approval by mentioning their achievements. Yet, when I finally became a supervisor I preferred the worker that solved issues themselves without mentioning them. The silent achiever was more preferable than the boaster. As I was the talkative type I had to constantly remind myself that rapid and continuous talking wasn’t ideal in a populated workplace. It just doesn’t fit in with the complex array of personalities. A talker finds chatting natural so its not easy being "quiet" but it can be beneficial. Silence can be cruel. Sometimes it is necessary in order to move on from a toxic relationship. But as adults we should not use it as a means to hurt others only used to distance oneself from others or from topics of controversy. Even then, it is right to communicate firmly and concisely….in a humane way. Tony WK

DJPTigerland140414 Officially giving up the drink!
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It doesnt matter if you dont drink for 2 days or 2 years some people and alcohol were not supposed to go together and i am certainly one of those people. We tell ourselves justifications etc to have another drink but it always seem to end up the same... View more

It doesnt matter if you dont drink for 2 days or 2 years some people and alcohol were not supposed to go together and i am certainly one of those people. We tell ourselves justifications etc to have another drink but it always seem to end up the same way. The morning after the negative thoughts and feelings kick into overdrive and its a feeling i wouldnt wish on anyone else. I spoke to my wife about it and its time i give the drink up completly as all it does is feed my depression like a starving junkyard dog. If i want to move forward i need to divorce myself from alcohol for the long term. I didnt even make a fool out of myself for once which is rare but still these thoughts and feelings were waiting for me when i opened my eyes to face the day. I used to think i drank because thats what young people do at the age of 18 and i believed this for 8 long years. I soon realised i was drinking to cover up my low self esteem and lack of confidence in my self. Drinking gives you unlimited confidence until you pass out or wake up the next morning. Im not dismissing alcohol completly as some people can control it as they control over their mind and thoughts where as i dont have that ability unfortunatly i needed to make the tough decision. Whatever it may be in life we come to a cross roads and need to make a call to better ourselves. I feel relieved to be honest in making this decision because i know it will only benefit me in my daily struggle with depression. Im naturally an anti social person and alcohol was my tool to being social if only for a 24 hour period. I will need to develop other ways to improve my social skills. Its easy to say i will never drink again but when you actually mean it and realise within yourself that this time you mean it is a big step forward well it is for me. My advice for anyone is if your not using the drink for the right reasons such as to mask other issues or getting over life experiences etc seek help and talk to someone before it can begin to take over your life. Happy new year!

white knight Carrying our own cross
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My ex brother in law told me many years ago "you JUST have to carrying your own cross" That was during a period of dwelling on a serious back injury and struggling with anxiety and depression. He had chronic rheumatoid arthritis and although in much ... View more

My ex brother in law told me many years ago "you JUST have to carrying your own cross" That was during a period of dwelling on a serious back injury and struggling with anxiety and depression. He had chronic rheumatoid arthritis and although in much pain...never complained. Why the contrast? Well we can assume some people have different pain thresholds. The other factor is we cant accept the major changes in our lives of such huge negatives. When someone tells you to "carry your own cross" it can be hurtful but if we have the better attitude we should consider the possibility that they are right, that they have a point to make. Having a back injury or any other injuries can effect every minute of your day, even simply sitting. So there is no escaping it. However if we continually moan about it, it can effect our relationships. Carrying our own cross means- realising other people have their own challenges in life, might be concealing them or if not, have a limited ability to withstand listening to others problems. There is no better example than xmas lunch. All people expect that arriving for a family gathering, to catch up with friends and family is going to be happy. Its exciting and rewarding, quality time. The last thing anyone wants is to endure people complaining about anything. The sadness we personally endure or the pain should be concealed unless asked IMO, once asked thank the person for asking, give a brief reply and change the subject maybe to their issues. Such carrying of your own cross for some doesnt come naturally, as in my case. I had to learn that wearing a happy mask to conceal my problems/pain sounds unfair, fake etc but it is to allow for others to enjoy their time in a festive mood. People can be kind and considerate and still cant put up with too much of a depressing mood from someone. Sadly but true, there is a time and a place for everything...even dumping onto others our illnesses. We should keep it minimal and allow others to enjoy their time. Thats an opinion, do you agree? Tony WK

white knight Anxiety from INJUSTICE
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We grow up knowing right from wrong. We adults pride ourselves that we uphold our values. We battle with others to push for what is right and condemn what’s wrong. For many of us with mental illness and extra sensitivities we react greater when issue... View more

We grow up knowing right from wrong. We adults pride ourselves that we uphold our values. We battle with others to push for what is right and condemn what’s wrong. For many of us with mental illness and extra sensitivities we react greater when issues occur but its is argueable that sometimes wrong things happen and we get caught up in situations that nearly anyone can get caught up in. Injustice done to us can happen anywhere, anytime then suddenly we are forced to defend. While defending our honour, when we are already fragile, we suffer greatly. It lowers our resilience to a new low. Australia, a democracy. As someone once said “Democracy is evil, but better than the alternative” or similar. That’s an indication that there are faults in the system. Good examples can be googled like “the padington bear affair” and the “ colour TV affair” These are situations whereby politicians tried to re-enter the country and not pay tax on goods. The pressure the customs officer was under from their own supervisors was enormous. One officer ended up not being able to leave his unit such was the damage done. In my case as a dog ranger/bylaws officer in the 1980’s I had an unblemished working record in prisons and investigations. I was subjected to pressure (directions) to favour a local politicians car in outer Melbourne. My boss wanted me to ignore that habit he had of parking in a disabled zone. I refused on strong principle. The zone wasn’t set aside for a fat cat to park their because his office was 10 metres away. There was a free car park 50 metres away. But this direction also came from higher above, the town clerk, a mate of the polly. You can see the problem. I could have, in hindsight told my boss that he had a choice- have troubles or patrol that street himself. He likely would have chosen the latter. But what occurred is that my righteousness and sensitivity on attempts to corrupt me, took hold. The result was a panic attack (initially believed to be a heart attack) off work, an inquiry I instigated and lost as the scapegoat and an ombudsman inquiry that was ineffective regardless of evidence. Welcome to justice!. I did get on radio and in the Herald-Sun news but that was slim pickings compared to- losing my income, my health and family stress. Upholding values doesn't pay the bills. There are times though that we should fight because the injustice is too great to ignore. If so, don't feel guilty- uphold your values but care for your well being. Tony WK

white knight FIGHT IT!! but how?
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Fighting against anything has its limitations. An Army could blast its way through enemy lines but a wise commander might find a more peaceful way to achieve agreement and save many lives. With depression its isn't that much different. When you are i... View more

Fighting against anything has its limitations. An Army could blast its way through enemy lines but a wise commander might find a more peaceful way to achieve agreement and save many lives. With depression its isn't that much different. When you are in that low zone it is pointless forcing yourself to "fight it". You can push hard to do the shopping and find yourself a mess in your car unable to move. What have you achieved then? So as a sequel to my thread (google Topic: depression, the timing of motivation- beyondblue) I'd like to list some ideas of how to "fight it" in a wise way. To tame that black dog. Patience- if you don't have any don't feel bad (google Topic: supermarket shelves- beyondblue. Cure is rare with depression so try finding a little patience to at least allow medication and therapy to work. Withdraw- Pulling back from social events a little. Not fully but ask yourself "do I have the option of staying home"? "Do I have the option of not being a committee member of my club"? Back to basics- (google Topic: back to basics- beyondblue) Medications- take them, don't fall into the mind trap of thinking they are not needed. Work with your GP (google Topic: medication is a whirlpool- beyondblue) Lifestyle- A change is as good as a ??? And if a few days/weeks away on a holiday works for you consider moving to such an environment Family and friends- You have the decision making as to who stays in your life. You can determine if they are toxic or unhelpful. Find the tact to let them go or drift away. Remember, we are talking about your mental health. Intrusive thoughts- Like everything else try to pull back moderately. Elimination of them is an unwise expectation. Reduce them by distraction. (Topic: distraction and variety- beyondblue) Faith- whatever your religious persuasion is embrace it. Also have an open mind as to your journey to your inner heart. (Google Maharaji sunset youtube) Feel lucky- this state of mind, positivity, your ability to get moving but....you need to be mentally well enough. Wait for that cycle to pick up then implement. (Google Maharaji the perfect instrument youtube) Team effort- If you have a carer then rely on him/her to gauge how you are behaving, where you're at. Don't forget to care for them (Topic: who cares for the carer- beyondblue) Disconnect- The burdens of the past, make peace with them. Write them on a pebble and throw them in the river. Fighting it, is to be wise by not fighting it. Tony WK

ScarlettR Do you finding taking public transport a sort of therapy, psychologically and socially?
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I know that to many people, taking public transport can be a dreaded and stressful part of daily life, whether it be buses, trams or trains. As a person dealing with depression and anxiety, I actually like taking public transport. I live in Melbourne... View more

I know that to many people, taking public transport can be a dreaded and stressful part of daily life, whether it be buses, trams or trains. As a person dealing with depression and anxiety, I actually like taking public transport. I live in Melbourne CBD so the main mode of transport here are trams. Whether you get a seat or not, here are some positive aspects of public transport: - the feeling of "flying" through places, even if it's on wheels - sight seeing and people watching - opportunity to listen to music in a mainly steady and fast paced environment - opportunity to provide good manners to fellow passengers (make room for them to sit, making room for the disabled, people with babies, pregnant mothers, the elderly) - an instant "feel good" boost - opportunity to get outside to get some much needed Vitamin D All this may sound obvious, but if you're dealing with anxiety and fear of closed spaces (like I am), recognising the small things in life gives meaning and purpose.

CMF Changing habits
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Changing habits can be hard. We get up the same time every day, do the same things the same way. Same old, same old, we become programmed to doing things a certain way, like a robot. Sometimes we need to reassess these daily habits. I read an article... View more

Changing habits can be hard. We get up the same time every day, do the same things the same way. Same old, same old, we become programmed to doing things a certain way, like a robot. Sometimes we need to reassess these daily habits. I read an article once about how much money we could save if we only bought what we absolutely needed, no more impulsive buys of things we don't need. I always use my debit card to pay for things. I rarely carry cash, just tap or swipe and off i go. Trouble with this is we can lose track of spending until we look at our bank balance. $5 here, $2 there, oh look, thats on sale I'll just get it 'just in case'. I've decided to change this. I have set myself a daily budget (subject to adjustment). From now on my goal is to withdraw money for the week based on my daily budget. I will no longer tap or swipe my card but try and stick to using cash only. My budget includes groceries, petrol and my daily chai and necessities for the kids. If I don't use the allocated amount each day I hang onto it, if i go over it means I have less for the next day. The aim of this is to not live down to the last cent every week and what is left in the account hopefully grow and help pay bills or cover any 'wants' now and then. It makes me conscious of what i am buying and thinking' do i really need this'. It also makes me conscious of what i buy at the supermarket, looking for items on sale and cheaper options. I am one of those people who will see a top on sale for $5 or a bag or shoes for $10 and think 'wow what a bargain,I'll just get it" I have found that these bargains tend to sit in the cupboard, then get moved to the shed when I have a clean out and eventually go to the brotherhood bin because i never used them. I'm an emotional shopper, i buy little things because it makes me feel good. My goal is to change this habit . If i am bored and feel the urge to go shopping I may clean out a cupboard instead or clean up the garden. I have enough of everything i need. I'm hoping this new habit will improve the way i feel as i see I am achieving something and maybe even not going down to the last cent every week which is depressing and causes more emotional spending. I also want to get a container and each day put $1 in it. Just $1. By the end of the year that is $365. I really want to do this. If I can stick to this and I am still struggling then i need to look at what needs to change. Do you have any habits you want to change? CMF

meercat Clearing clutter and clatter in your life
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Have you noticed clutter and clatter around your place? *is your house like a typhoon hit it and full of clutter? *is Your mind full of clatter.. problems, media clatter, family clatter telling you how you should do things, be, say, act. Yes, i know ... View more

Have you noticed clutter and clatter around your place? *is your house like a typhoon hit it and full of clutter? *is Your mind full of clatter.. problems, media clatter, family clatter telling you how you should do things, be, say, act. Yes, i know google can tell us what to do.. but you might like to take a moment and look around your home, your head. Its meercat den cleaning month here at the moment, my home is breeding notebooks..notes everywhere..what to do, what to say,where to go. You know the kind of stuff, neat piles of it.. but lots of it, articles from the 80's. Magazines, recipes, things to do..i could not use them in a lifetime. The clatter.. no one needs to tell me what to do..i already have an army of meercats chattering in my head. How to remedy this situation..you tell me!! Cheers meercat xx

romantic_thi3f Last thing that made you smile?
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Hi all What made you smile today? Doesn't matter if it's big or small or whether it's one or a hundred things. If you can't think of anything hopefully reading this list might make you smile. I'll start 1. My dog. His name is Buddy and we adopted him... View more

Hi all What made you smile today? Doesn't matter if it's big or small or whether it's one or a hundred things. If you can't think of anything hopefully reading this list might make you smile. I'll start 1. My dog. His name is Buddy and we adopted him. He likes to follow me around the house and he's great company. Whenever I let him in from outside he jumps up on me for a cuddle. 2. Cadbury Creme Eggs were on special at Coles. Yay for budgeting and yay for chocolate. 3. The quote "The human body is 90% water so we're basically cucumbers with anxiety".

white knight Illusion vs imagination vs reality
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When my depression was at its peak, I found it almost impossible to do some of the basic tasks. Gardening, a walk, washing the dog and shopping. My problem was the weakness of my mind, fear and loss of confidence. Fear of what? Well, more a feeling o... View more

When my depression was at its peak, I found it almost impossible to do some of the basic tasks. Gardening, a walk, washing the dog and shopping. My problem was the weakness of my mind, fear and loss of confidence. Fear of what? Well, more a feeling of safety within my home. The place I was regrouping. So to overcome this uncontrolled mind of mine I set about imagining things. When gardening I'd imagine running along a beach, riding a motorbike or a horse. After a while it became a habit. Great advancement came when my therapist asked me about my newfound method of overcoming such hurdles. I talked, he listened. Finally he suggested that the reason I was in fear, bound to my home etc was my state of mind in that I wasnt being realistic with my thoughts. If I was real I wouldn't be in fear walking around a town of 200 people, wouldnt be worried when doing tasks like gardening and not be worried about crowds if I shopped early in the week. Sometimes we need to discipline ourselves, take control and chastise our thoughts to be real. Failure to do that is like letting a scrambled mind do as it pleases. Dont let random thoughts control common natural operation of your mind. Temporary thoughts to overcome a hurdle is ok but if you garden, focus on gardening, go for a walk then observe what you see and so on. Such focus takes practice. Every boat needs a rudder....fix your rudder... Tony WK