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Suicidality and perimenopause
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Has anyone else experienced severe suicidality in relation to perimenopause? Did anything particular help? There is apparently a strong association for some women.
I had a major drop in oestrogen a year ago resulting in severe anxiety/depression/suicidal ideation then. It’s re-occurring now. I have complicating factors of c-ptsd and complicated grief. Saturday was the anniversary of my mother’s sudden and distressing death. I was extremely bad on Friday and early Saturday.
I’ve been calling helplines and had some practical help. It helps regulate me for a few hours then I start to disintegrate again. It’s a feeling of totally failing apart. I do have a psych appointment on Thursday and I’ve booked a counselling appointment with the Australian menopause society as well.
HRT may help but I have to look at how it will interact with my liver disease which can be a complicating factor. It’s a rare disease and not well understood or even known about by most medical practitioners. I just feel totally overwhelmed.
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Hi ER,
Sorry you ended up with a migraine, but you must be feeling proud of yourself for being able to be clear and assertive in that situation, not to mention have a good outcome.
I thought you would like Tracy, Fast Car was a great song and really unique for the music at the time. I am feeling inspired to get out some of my Joan and Tracy cds. One of the things I like about Joan is that she writes in unusual timing in some of her songs which makes them really interesting.
Hope you get rid of the migraine soon.
Hugs to you too,
indigo
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Hi indigo,
As I'm typing this I'm listening to the Joan Armatrading songs you mentioned. They are awesome. Right now I'm listening to Free which I love. I realised I knew some of the others when I heard them.
She wrote a great song for Nelson Mandela too called The Messenger which is uplifting that I heard the the other day.
The migraine is increasingly easing and on the way out.
Thank you so much for your support.
And Fiatlux, I have replied to you but it hasn't appeared. It's so frustrating not being able to communicate at times. I just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring you! I don't even know if this message will appear. Sending you hugs as well 🤗
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Hi ER,
Thank you for your kind support. You have been more helpful and supportive than anyone or anything.
Take care. Fiatlux 🙏🏼
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You're welcome Fiatlux 🤗
I just wanted to make a note here to anyone reading this who is yet to go through perimenopause/menopause, please don't think you are necessarily going to have an horrendous time. I was talking to someone I know the other day who is 81 and she said she had literally no adverse symptoms. She just transitioned and that was it. Probably most women have some symptoms, but from what I've read only about 20-25% have the really severe mental health symptoms. I just didn't want to paint a picture here that it's horrible for everyone. It comes down to sensitivity to changes in hormone levels. Some people are just much more sensitive to those changes than others with more drastic effects. Early life trauma appears to have certainly played a role in my case and would explain the onset of severe migraines and fibromyalgia at the age of 13, clearly linked to a high level of sensitivity to hormonal changes with my endocrine system likely already very dysregulated from birth onwards, starting from birth trauma and a lack of maternal bonding. At 16 I was found to have abnormally high cortisol levels and that indicated a high level stress response which also interferes with reproductive hormones. So basically I don't want to freak out anyone yet to go through these stages of life. It's good to be aware of what may happen but it doesn't mean you will necessarily have an absolutely terrible time. I just wanted to share that and hopefully some hope. Also, even if you are in the 20-25% with severe symptoms including mental health ones, there is gradually increasing awareness and I think it will be a lot better understood with better treatments in years to come.
Just wanted to share some hope 🙏
Hugs,
ER
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I am just spiralling again since early afternoon. Small things pick me up for a short time then I just deteriorate again - extreme depression and exhaustion from the struggle to keep living. Seeing my psychologist tomorrow to sort out support for medical exemption certificate for Centrelink and work towards DSP. GP did certificate today. But just so sick of my lifelong struggle. I know I’m being affected by hormones but when in it it’s intolerable. I’m so tired of trying to find answers for health issues on my own. It feels like all my life has consisted of. I feel like my body just wants to go. Trying to find the part that still wants to live. Too exhausted to sleep. Too exhausted to call a helpline. But will call tomorrow if I need to. Will probably help speaking with psychologist. Many days are just lost to depression now. I can’t live life and I really just want to live life like a normal person who can function.
I feel like doing photography is one of very few things to live for because I love doing it and editing the images afterwards. I feel like it’s keeping me alive. I try to remind myself I obviously can’t do that if I die. Just so tired.
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Hi ER,
I know how hard it is to ride the roller coaster with depression, but there is so much more involved for you.
It's been a huge amount to deal with and the fact that you are still here, shows just how strong and resilient you really are.
I know there is nothing I can say that will make you feel better right now, I just want you to know that I am thinking of you, sending you hugs and extra strength to keep you going.
There are still many reasons to keep going so please hold on to those while you ride out the lowest days and try to keep reminding yourself that this is out of balance chemistry you are dealing with, and that is fixable.
I hope you can get some rest soon,
indigo 💜
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Thank you so much indigo 🙏
Had appointment with psychologist. Had to outline my whole work and health history. I find it triggering doing this but it is necessary for the DSP application. It’s just a reminder that my life has been such a continuous struggle over decades. I’ve been relentlessly positive and resourceful throughout life to cope, but that is breaking down now as I have nothing left. But perhaps that needs to happen. I knew applying for the DSP in itself would be triggering and I’m sure that’s a major reason I wanted to avoid it. I know you had a hard time with your application and I’m so sorry you went through that. It makes you feel so vulnerable doesn’t it. I feel like my resilience through everything may be my downfall as I’ve fought so hard to be ok and functional it almost goes against me. I’ve been on a lower dose antidepressant for 19 years for managing pain, but not on the formal antidepressant levels, though not far off it for 17 years. It’s something they look at and they may say well you haven’t been on a depression dosage yet so you need to do that first and see if you can work that way before we grant you DSP. It really comes down to the individual assessor who I understand is a doctor who judges the application. It’s like I would have to go through more suffering to prove I am profoundly not ok. I feel like coping in the past despite multiple debilitating health issues and life stressors is almost potentially going to go against me.
My friends who suicided were in very similar positions. One had chronic fatigue syndrome and worked so incredibly hard to heal, researching and trying every healing option he could from conventional to alternative. Other people kept telling him what he was doing wrong all the time. He tried several self employment options. He tried so, so hard before taking his life. Another friend had an informal autism diagnosis from a uni research centre. She couldn’t afford a formal diagnosis. She was severely bullied at work and her family didn’t believe her diagnosis and told her to get over herself. She was so struggling financially she used to get cheap off cuts from the meat factory near her suburb instead of buying at the supermarket. She could see no future. And the other friend had bipolar and worked so hard over years to heal, held down professional jobs despite her struggle. I just get all of their suicides. It is really hard to hang on.
For me each time I see or hear birds and animals it helps me still want to live to be able to see them. They are definitely my family. It is the only constant I know. I have a few genuine, good friends I love very much. But I tend to avoid overburdening them with how much I’m struggling. One of them just lost her stepdad to suicide. I’m not going to share fully where I’m at right now. It is easier to write here than tell people directly because I am just a voice in cyberspace and hopefully it isn’t so directly impactful on anyone else. People on helplines have been so helpful and I’ve only called them when I’ve got to the extreme end of desperate. It’s hard to ask for help when you don’t feel safe, which is a reflection of my childhood conditioning where asking for help led to being attacked in a volatile way. So it feels safer to hold back and present as always coping.
Just writing this all out to process it. Thank you so much for your support indigo. I really appreciate it 💜 I have to find the 70+ page application form now as I lost it. I will probably actually apply online but do the paper one first so I have fully understood it and have a draft copy. I am hating having to do it but my body tells me it’s the only option.
I hope your day/week is going well and thanks again 🙏
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Hi ER,
I understand this must be triggering for you, I understand the suicidal ideation as well, whatever you need to say will always be okay with me. When you have run out of fight, I will do my best to help you find a bit extra.
You don't need to reply to this message unless you particularly want to, I just want you to understand one thing clearly.
You are not now, nor have you ever been just a cyber voice to me. We have been communicating for months now, I care about your well being a great deal and I am always here for you, wether you are on a high or a low.
indigo 💜
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Thank you so much indigo 🙏💜 I'm always here too for you if you ever need a chat.
X Eagle Ray
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Hi ER,
Just wanted to check in with you, have you had any improvement in the last couple of days?
I have had a week of various people and situations pushing my buttons for some reason, so I have been riding the roller coaster a bit, trying not to let things get to me, sometimes easier said than done. Today is a better day though.
Thinking of you,
indigo