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Hello everyone.
I survived attempts. I’ve done recovery programs… I still struggle with the fact that the thoughts stay, sometimes less often, sometimes closer to crisis point. The worst is how I feel about myself, my failed attempts and I don’t see the world, I can’t feel it, I just can’t feel when I get unwell. I try to push the thoughts away and tell myself it’s just thoughts, but I’ve tried that before and ended in icu.
How will this continue? Will it always be that dance? Do people get better after a lifetime of suicidal thoughts? I hate when my life is about staying alive. Surely that’s not enough reason?
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Hello Inni, people on this site have been through their own type of depression and understand what someone else is trying to say, as we have volunteered to help those who are struggling and prepared to listen to what troubles a person.
Please don't forget that what is concerning you may have also happened to us in a similar situation.
Geoff.
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I'm so sorry you are feeling this way. People do get better. I'm currently only just getting by myself but I have seen people recover.
My daughter was one of this people. I thought I was going to lose her at one stage.
She is so happy she is here now. I asked her only yesterday and she said she was so grateful to be here and that she loves her life.
We can all get better. It's so hard but we can do it!
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Hi inni
You're such a deeply thoughtful person, not wanting to trigger others to feel such overwhelming upset. You obviously hold great compassion, a sign of a beautiful person.
Have you ever considered a group therapy scenario, where the mutually supportive therapy/recovery is strategically structured and carefully led by a facilitator? In such a setting, if someone is triggered they are carefully led out of the trigger, with the support and understanding of the facilitator and the group. How to manage the images that come to mind, how to manage the emotions that set off the nervous system and how to manage a whole lot more could make this a possibly constructive experience shared by those who understand the challenges first hand.
It was some years ago when I experienced the benefits of group therapy. Having spent about 15 years in depression in the lead up to the therapy sessions, I'd reached the point of complete and utter hopelessness. I believed nothing would work to make a difference to me. I'd tried so many different things over the years to lead me out of depression. It was actually post natal depression group therapy on this occasion. I was kind of experiencing a different type of depression within existing depression. A small group of complete strangers meeting felt incredibly uncomfortable at first, until we were led to relate to each other through the challenges of depression and our experiences. Some of those experiences included experiencing people who just couldn't relate to the challenges we were facing.
Of course, if you're not prepared to open up then it's so important to explore a preparation stage. Preparing to open up is what can lead us to successfully manage what comes next. Not preparing can have serious consequences. Do you have a mental health guide/therapist who might be able to address the preparation side of things if you were to eventually consider a group setting at some point? Of course, there's a massive difference between basic depression or even PND and complex post traumatic stress. With cPTSD, the preparation stage in the lead up to a group setting would be quite complex in itself.
The dis-ease (deep unease or serious upset) that can come with incredibly overwhelming challenges can be sickening at times. Be kind to yourself at such a time. You deserve great care and compassion.
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Thanks for sharing whats happening for you. Sounds like you're struggling. It takes alot of courage to reach out so we're really glad you have and know that you are certainly not alone.
We have reached out to you privately tonight to see how we can support you and to also check in with you. Please check your inbox and reply.
We encourage you to share more of whats been happening for you here also.
We urge you if you feel unsafe or that you may act upon these feelings, this is an emergency and you should contact 000.
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Hi Sophie,
sorry I don’t want to worry anyone. I’ll be ok
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Our online community is here for you in case you do want to share more of whats going on for you. We just want to remind you that you are important and not a burden.
We encourage you to open up with whats happening for you here as welll as remind you know that there is always support available to you. You're welcome to reach out to our support service directly on 1300 22 4636 at anytime or online.
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Hi inni
Being depressed can attract a lot of ignorant people and comments. Such people will ignore so much. They may ignore we may be having one good day amongst a 1000 bad ones. They can ignore the micro expressions on our face that indicate deep upset, while they assume we're fine. They can ignore our need for them to stop making triggering comments such as 'If you smiled more you wouldn't be so depressed all the time'. I hate that comment inni. It was a serious trigger for me while I was in depression. Now, if I hear it said to someone who's struggling with depression, my typical reaction to the person who said is something like 'Are you insane?! Do you not understand how completely ridiculous and triggering that comment is?'.
The person who told you that you can get your act together is perhaps ignorant. You can be basically loved by an ignorant person yet not fully loved in a way where you can really feel it. This is what I have found, through my own experience. Someone could say 'I love you' 50 times a day yet not lead us feel love from them. On the other hand, someone else could perform the simplest act of deep love without ever having said I love you and we can feel that action so deeply. I used to wonder what was wrong with me, not feeling love for someone who often proclaimed to love me. One day, it finally hit - they are all talk. They speak of love yet it is sometimes not enough to simply speak of love. Great acts of service scream love to the point where it is felt. Sometimes the challenge may even involve loving acts of service toward our self. To be self serving is not always a bad thing. It can actually be about finding the time to detach from others who do not serve us in soulful ways. Detaching to serve our self regular doses of love can be a massive challenge at times, especially if we're not taught how to love our self. Personally, I was never taught how to love myself, which explains why it took so many years to finally achieve. Still, there are days where I forget how to do it or I forget how it feels.
'You can get your act together' is a comment that can be met with a self loving response such as 'Give me a plan on how to strategically do that and then I'll consider it'. I've found most people who make such comments rarely ever have a plan we can relate to. While they may mean well, sometimes meaning well is not enough. Acts of love speak volumes. I believe, someone leading us to vent our pain is the act of someone loving us.
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Hello therising
thank you so much for your reply. I hope you’re doing ok.
I think my friend is trying hard. I don’t think it’s from a bad place. I know I’m harder on myself than anyone else.