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Mindfulness: What Is It? (Even if you dont know please post so we can help grow the forums accordingly)

blondguy
Champion Alumni
Champion Alumni

Hi Everybody

This is only the basic dictionary definition...

"Mindfulness is a state of active, open attention on the present. When you're mindful, you observe your thoughts and feelings from a distance without judging them good or bad. Instead of letting your life pass you by, mindfulness means living in the moment without judgement"

  • Please be as blunt you wish....If you dont have an idea about mindfulness it would be great if you could let us know
  • If mindfulness hasnt worked/or is too broad a concept for you it would great if you can let us know your thoughts too
  • If mindfulness has helped you, please help others to help themselves by posting how you have embraced this mindset

It goes without saying that the forums are a judgement free zone and I really hope that everyone can jump in and have their say

Your input is highly valued no matter how you respond to this topic. There are no experts here...New Posters are Most Welcome!!

My Kindest Thoughts

Paul

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rusty girl,

Thanks for letting us know about the book you found helpful.

I think we all need to find a book or explanation that helps us as we are all different. Some people will find one book or course helpful and another will need a different resource.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. I will have a look at that book.

Quirky

Hi Everyone! New members are welcome to post too 🙂

Hey Irene....Nice1 doing the Wellness course...If you wish to provide a link to your course you are welcome! Always a treat to have you post on the forums...My best always

Hey Moon....Thank-You for being a part of the discussion... Usually I find everything abstract.....except your posts of clarity and wisdom....You Rock Moon 🙂

Hey IsaJett.....Appreciate your input as always....You mentioned "I know I personally prefer to be my own best friend"....This is Gold and thankyou!

Hey Nurse Jenn....Welcome and thank-you for your 'take' on mindfulness.Coming from a qualified health professional we appreciate all the support we can get on 'Mindfulness' I just find it a badly named state of mind

Nurse Jenn mentioned..."What mindfulness means to me personally is the ability to let your thoughts walk through your mind without stopping"...and....."I just allow them to keep going with out attaching an emotion (most often worry or fear) to the thoughts" Since there is no such question as a dumb one.....Can I ask if mindfulness would work as a management tool when we are in a state of serious anxiety? Some people may be looking out for the answer to that question...just fyi

Hey Rusty Girl......Thankyou for your support and TLC on the forums! You mentioned "try reading mindfulness by Gill Hasson".....Its available at Officeworks? Appreciate the tip Rusty (thumbs up!)

Hey Quirky.....Your support and TLC is invaluable....your ongoing assistance is Gold...always

I hope everyone has a really good week

my kind thoughts

Paul

smallwolf
Community Champion
Community Champion

Hey Paul,

I think part of (your) issue might be there is large number of different definitions as to what mindfulness is, such that it some of these might appear to contradict each other or confuse us. And perhaps the easiest definition is from Russ Harris (similar(ish) to what Jen was saying ...

Paying attention with openness, curiosity, flexibility and kindness

(source: https://www.actmindfully.com.au/about-mindfulness/)

so if you take this definition and then read what Nurse Jen says about not attaching emotions then half way there.

Going one step further...

And there different ways of doing this. it might be a leaves on a stream exercise, or buses coming into a bus stop. And for the duration of that exercise, the thought can be put onto a leaf or side of the bus, and moves on, and a new thought or the same thought enters the mind, and that gets put onto the next leaf/bus. And if you think it is silly, and not working, put that onto the leaf and thank your mind.

And over time, things that might be terrify you are not so bad?

Hope that helps,

Tim

Hi Tim

I really appreciate your life experience and you taking the time as I am really trying to learn or unlearn what my psychologists have been teaching me since 1983 which is 'grounding myself' when I have high anxiety

My Chow/German Shepard cross was attacked by a German Short Haired Pointer a week ago and I am scared of walking my dog now.....'Mindfulness' doesnt work for me over the last week which is why I asked Nurse Jenn..

"Can I ask if mindfulness would work as a management tool when we are in a state of serious anxiety"?

I will have a good look at what you mentioned "https://www.actmindfully.com.au/about-mindfulness" and thankyou for the olive branch on this Tim

You are and always have been a serious asset to Beyond Blue and the forums Tim

my kind thoughts

Paul

smallwolf
Community Champion
Community Champion

Me again.

On mindfulness vs grounding. I was going to try to give an explanation on the difference between mindfulness and grounding but figured I might confuse you! If not me! If you really want to look at the "difference" between them go to Google and search...

what is the difference between mindfulness and grounding

Hope that helps.

Tim

Hey Tim and thankyou for helping me out

Duly noted and I will google 'what is the difference between mindfulness and grounding'

Any info is a step towards healing

always learning and appreciative

Paul

Paul,

I am so sorry about your dog.

I would,think that being scared to walk your dog or wanting to take a different route would seem a rational response.

My small understanding of mindfulness would think that it may not help in such a situation.

Maybe I am naive and I know I don’t have the understanding that Tim and Nurse Jenn do of mindfulness, but if one is anxious or afraid of something that most people would be afraid of , how can mindfulness help?

I know I struggle with this and am always trying to understand.

Quirky

And again...

one example possibly to show the difference. Here is an example of mindfulness at work, and keep in mind this is only a snippet of what I might think and I use the bus example...

too much work to do... overwhelming... damn, heart racing... need to reply.... what do first?...too many buses ....

as the above thoughts come in, they are put onto the side of the bus, and the bus moves on. It mainly involves the mind and watching the thoughts come and go.

In grounding, and using an orange as a example, an opportunity to get back to the present moment by engaging all the senses when eating. And slowing down the eating process. So can...

touch, feel, smell the orange (skin). Then you can peel the orange, and the same steps are repeated with engaging all the senses. And then you eat a piece of the orange, and engage the sense, including taste.

In this example, you are the concentrating on the orange rather than "other" things. Remember these are just example and there are many other exercises in each. Someone else might have a grounding exercise that sounds like mindfulness. I don't think that you need to worry so much about categorising a particular exercise, but to think about how it makes you feel afterwards?

Tim

IreneM
Blue Voices Member
Blue Voices Member

HI all

@Paul I really feel for you with your dog. (Putting on my psychotherapy cap) May I ask if that experience may be a trigger to a fear or phobia to walking dogs?

I think that not walking your dog or taking a different route may be an ok response in the short-term until you get further assistance. But is it helping you to achieve your goals of overcoming that fear and addressing the cause?

To answer your question to Jenn about mindfulness being a management tool if seriously bad. My recommendation is that if you are too serious to think clearly, then 'No' because you would be too intense and uptight to be able act rationally or even reason. This is because the fear centre in the brain is too active.

The first step is to practice Relaxation and other Calming exercises. Once you are calm enough to reason and, as Quirky described it, pay attention to your thoughts without it affecting you emotionally. For some people medication will have a role to play here. For others the release of bottled up (also known as suppressed or repressed) feelings like anger or resentment, will also need to be addressed, without taking those negative feelings out on others.

Then you can utilise Mindfulness more to be able to facilitate change and set goals to get better accordingly.

I like to think that Mindfulness is like Stage 3 or 4 of the long and endless Recovery Journey. Nurse Jenn can expand on this for us.

@Tim

Think I will be doing more on Grounding in the next week or two. I have only just read a bit about it. So will share more then.

I.

Hi Everyone and thankyou for your knowledge/input on the meaning of 'Mindfulness'

Hey Tim...Thank-you so much for helping out on this thread...again. I did search for the difference between 'Mindfulness' and 'Grounding' The clearest definition I found was.....

'Mindfulness is a mental state achieved by focusing one's awareness on the present moment, while calmly acknowledging and accepting one's feelings, thoughts, and bodily sensations. Grounding techniques help you to stay “in the moment” when your mind and body are returning to a place of trauma or stress'

I received years of therapy that focused on Calm and Genuine Acceptance of my anxiety feelings which worked very well which seems nearly identical to the meaning of Mindfulness....

Hey Irene...thank you for answering my question to Jenn if mindfulness works during a serious anxiety attack

Irene answered "No, because you would be too intense and uptight to be able act rationally or even reason. This is because the fear center in the brain is too active" Your answer is greatly appreciated and reflects the high level of anxiety that I was experiencing. Thank-you for jumping in and helping out with your answer 🙂

Hey Quirky.....Thank-you for your assistance on this awkward thread topic. I find it difficult to understand with all due respect to the excellent information from Tim and everyone above

My dog Prince (Chow German Shepherd Cross) was on a lead and a neighbor was walking his German Short Haired pointer off a lead....and before I knew it the German Short Haired pointer bolted towards Prince from 20 meters away and locked himself to my dogs face and wouldnt let go. It was bloody and awful...Prince is better now after I called a Vet out. Its really 'rattled' me unfortunately...I'm sorry to stray off topic...Thankyou for the TLC Q

you are wonderful people

Hugz always

Paul