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Do You Like Yourself? Your Thoughts are Welcome!

blondguy
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Hello Everybody and new posters especially:-)

I have had anxiety since 1983 and depression from 1997. There is always someone that says 'You have to Love Yourself' before recovery. When people are suffering from anxiety/depression this may be the last 'advice' they really need. This is only my experience when I am 'advised to love myself' to rebuild my life. I have heard the following from people that cant 'love themselves' which is fair enough as I am a person that cant either. Your thoughts will help me and others learn from your point of view. I can only be 'gentle' to myself to heal...not love.

  • Why should I love myself if I dont in the first place?
  • I am in a dark place, how can I love myself?
  • I dont deserve to love myself
  • I am depressed...How can I love myself?
  • I have mega anxiety attacks..what is there to love about myself?
  • I hate myself and what I stand for...why should I?
  • I love my partner more...I will care about myself 'later'

When people have depression/anxiety/denial they dont need to be counseled with ' love yourself'. Thats a huge ask.

I dont need to climb Mt Everest by trying to love myself when I cant. It can be an unrealistic and even silly target to achieve having depression

I just prefer to be 'gentle' to myself. Same results and way less stress ๐Ÿ™‚ Your thoughts/opinions are more than welcome

Thankyou so much

Paul

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What could be the main factors in preventing us liking ourselves?

  • Sufficient sleep? Dont laugh, lack of sleep has major implications on the mentally ill in at least several ways.
  • Low self esteem. That can originate from several origins. Maltreatment of you as a child. Bullying. Lack of encouragement etc
  • Foot in mouth disease. Illnesses such as ADHD can create a condition whereby talking before thinking occurs. The result is embarrassing. Eventually this can mean no talking much at all.
  • Failing at things like education while observing friends pass.
  • Not associating with a profession.
  • No hobbies/sports/special interests
  • Failed relationships.
  • Disliking appearance/placing too much emphasis on looks
  • Overweight/eating disorders/inherited large body size
  • Physical disability
  • lack of humour
  • Lack of motivation and positivity
  • and so on.

With any of the above, yes I know its a clichรฉ, you can overcome those restrictions enough to at least like yourself enough to enjoy life. It is achievable but I understand if it is daunting.

The following thread has a message built into it. It is a factual story of an event I experienced around 1983.

https://www.beyondblue.org.au/get-support/online-forums/staying-well/30-minutes-can-change-your-life

I've had feedback over the years that the above story contains lots of luck. Well, I dont believe in luck. You make your own luck in life by creating situations that allows luck to come along easier. Without effort it wont budge.

TonyWK

Hi all,

It's a while since I've checked in on here, so I'll backtrack to where I was last, re counselling: Mrs Dools, you said "My sense of needing to feel connected to the psychologist relates to feeling safe in her care, believing she is able to help me, that she understands what I need and can help me make adjustments." That's absolutely the sort of thing I was talking about, and I think you made it more relatable to others than I did, so cheers for adding your clarification.

Tony, I'm glad you brought up ADHD in relation to self esteem. There's a whole lot of stuff there that goes above and beyond "foot in mouth". I'm a bit of a loudmouth, and sometimes that can be problematic. Eventually not talking much at all isn't really a thing with ADHD, at least not in my experience, there just isn't an off switch. It can definitely lead to negative reflection on social interactions for me, and part of that is the racing mind, negative hyperfocus and constant intrusive thoughts that can also come with ADHD. That's a fun little mine field that I navigate every day.

The greater part of my self esteem battle with ADHD is executive functioning. It undermines the most basic of tasks. The less interesting the task, the harder it is to get done - my mind literally won't hold onto information that isn't engaging. Running a household is a nightmare - I just now remembered washing in the machine that finished up about an hour ago, and that had slipped my mind entirely. I'll forget again several times before I see the machine is closed (which it isn't usually) and question that, finally leading to action. And that's just one example. I can be boiling eggs; in the few seconds it takes to pick up my phone to put on a timer I will have forgotten that was what I intended to do, next thing my eggs are boiling over. This stuff happens dozens of times a day, so I've spent a lifetime with people going "It's not that hard" about various household tasks, and there I am bewildered and feeling painfully inadequate. Doubly so before I knew I had ADHD (only found out this year), and there was no quantifiable reason for it. To put it in more perspective, if I'm interested in what I'm doing, I can be hugely effective and even very efficient. So I never understood why I could be a powerhouse one day and useless the next. I've definitely had periods of considerable confusion and kinda hating myself for that.

Blue.

PS I agree about luck, Tony.

Also, thanks Paul, for acknowledging my perspective/experience when I posted last.

Hi Blue

No wonder we find it hard to like ourselves, so many challenges.

I was originally diagnosed with adult ADHD in 2003 and for 6 years had tried 10 different medications without success. No wonder, a second diagnosis revealed bipolar2, dysthymia depression, not ADHD however illnesses can cross over so I believe a trace of ADHD is present.

Your lack of focus is clear. Mishaps like over boiling eggs (I can imagine the length of the list) can ruin self esteem. I've resorted to doing one task at a time and using my mobile phone alarm regularly. I had it on alarm 12 hours, one hour and then 10 minutes out from an appointment but in that last 10 minutes I forgot about it and it was an end of year virtual gathering, embarrassing.

Other people don't understand.

A bad short term memory snuffs our confidence out.

TonyWK

Hey Tony,

Thanks for sharing some of your story, and for understanding. I also have depression to play with and possible C-PTSD, so that complicates things. I can only imagine how bipolar makes things harder for you, too. Yes, there are a lot of mental illnesses that co-occur, so we often get hit with a lot at once.

I wondered for years on and off if I had some sort of early onset dementia, my working/short term memory have been so, so poor. Thing is, no-one takes that sort of thing seriously. If you mention instances of forgetfulness, it's always a big laugh or "Oh, that happens to me, too". I mean, sure it does, but half a dozen times before breakfast? Every day? Finding out what was going on and getting a diagnosis were something of a headache.

I try doing one task at a time, but that may or may not work. There's an endless loop of spotting other jobs around the house that need doing and thinking "Right, better do that before I forget" - and as far as that sort of thing goes, my impulse control is rubbish, so off I go on the new task. Completely relate to your story about missing that gathering. Recently for me it was trying to remember to go and say goodbye to one of our managers at the end of my shift, because he was being transferred to another store. I had my reminders, and it was in the back of my mind for the whole shift - though so was a list of groceries to buy after work - so in the end I remembered the groceries, forgot to farewell said manager. D'oh!

I do find where my self esteem suffers is less in the annoying little incidents than the overarching malaise. I average about 20 hours a week work, and manage a household with my partner, who helps. Staying on track and functional at work and then at home, I do actually get things done, but the sheer amount of effort, willpower and energy it takes leaves me exhausted as if I did full time work and had no help at home. So of course others work full time, have partners and kids, do social things, and they seem fine. To me even half of that is overwhelming and anything fun after the bare necessities often ends up being more than I can manage. The self care goes downhill from sheer lack of energy, and my sense of self worth with it. I feel bad about myself because I cope so poorly with basic life stuff. Can't get away with living on canned spag and not cleaning like I did in my 20s, got two little birds and an immune compromised man to worry about. Aaargh!

Blue.

Onmyown
Community Member

I donโ€™t just dislike myselfโ€ฆ I hate myself and I hate that I hate myself๐Ÿฅบ I canโ€™t get my crap together for any everyday tasks. I have cptsd, ptsd, chronic pain, severe depression, and anxiety. I have amazing children that have disabilities and I fail them daily. I donโ€™t have family support and I have been cut off from work and friendships for the past 6 years. If I could leave myself I would so in a heartbeat.

quirkywords
Community Champion
Community Champion

On y own ,

welcome to the forum.

You have so many mental health issues as well as being a mum to children with disabilities.
I think your children would love such a devoted mother .

Maybe you have little time and energy for your self.
Is there any who can give you support and listen to you.

I see you as someone who puts others first and who has very high expectation of yourself.

You could start a thread on your own as people may see that thread more than this long thread.

Thankyou Quirkywords for your kind welcome & just for reading. I appreciate that.

I have tried talking to a cazillion psychiatrists , psychologists & counsellors over the years , usually Iโ€™d feel worse afterwards as Iโ€™d feel guilty about whinging. I do know itโ€™s not whinging, but to me thatโ€™s what it feels like. Iโ€™m not comfortable laying it all out for people to know.. even professionals. I guess thatโ€™s why Iโ€™ve joined this forum; being anonymous and knowing that others out there actually, for real, understand.

quirkywords
Community Champion
Community Champion

Onmyown,

I can relate to feeling like one is complaining when talking to a counsellor .
I think that we all know everyone has different problems and often talking is a first step in gaining understanding into our issues.

How would feel about writing down your thoughts in a journal. I found that helped me.

As I have said before this is my go to thread when I need reflect and learn. Thanks Paul
i had a bad day yesterday relationship wise and feel fragile. I like myself but I donโ€™t like how I react when I feel I am being controlled, if that makes any sense.

Just need to reflect .

Best wishes to all reading.