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Do You Like Yourself? Your Thoughts are Welcome!
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Hello Everybody and new posters especially:-)
I have had anxiety since 1983 and depression from 1997. There is always someone that says 'You have to Love Yourself' before recovery. When people are suffering from anxiety/depression this may be the last 'advice' they really need. This is only my experience when I am 'advised to love myself' to rebuild my life. I have heard the following from people that cant 'love themselves' which is fair enough as I am a person that cant either. Your thoughts will help me and others learn from your point of view. I can only be 'gentle' to myself to heal...not love.
- Why should I love myself if I dont in the first place?
- I am in a dark place, how can I love myself?
- I dont deserve to love myself
- I am depressed...How can I love myself?
- I have mega anxiety attacks..what is there to love about myself?
- I hate myself and what I stand for...why should I?
- I love my partner more...I will care about myself 'later'
When people have depression/anxiety/denial they dont need to be counseled with ' love yourself'. Thats a huge ask.
I dont need to climb Mt Everest by trying to love myself when I cant. It can be an unrealistic and even silly target to achieve having depression
I just prefer to be 'gentle' to myself. Same results and way less stress 🙂 Your thoughts/opinions are more than welcome
Thankyou so much
Paul
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Dools
Thanks for your post it makes sense to me.
I can relate to a tangled mind and need ing to feel safe with a psychologist or counselor.
I agree that even if we have a lived experience it will different from others.
Your last 2 sentences show lots of empathy.
We don't always know the tone behind the writing here either!
We can't feel another person's mental turmoil, confusion, hurt or torment.
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Hi Quirky,
Just going out on a tangent here. I also sometimes find what people say in person can be misconstrued if they are wearing a mask!
Their eyes are visible but I can't always tell if they are smiling. I find it difficult be reassured and have clarity through lack of facial expressions in some circumstances.
Today I am reminding myself that my thoughts are jumbled. I am trying to like myself in the confusion.
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Hello Doolhof,
I entirely agree that the connection between you & your psychologist is a different sort of connection than the connections with family & friends. The therapeutic relationship is supposed to be different.
I hope you will follow this.
It's a one way street whereby you trust your therapist, you may tell them anything, be as emotional as you feel, & have them be there to support you. Not the other way around. You are not 'friends' in that way.
They have accepted their responsibility to keep your best interest in mind, but you are not expected to do the same for them. You are not there to meet their needs; you are there to have some of your needs met.
If they need care & support then they go to their own therapist for that.
While we are in enough need to need a therapist, it is too much to ask us to take on board the responsibility for caring & supporting others in as great a need as ourselves. Like two people in the river, both of whom are struggling to keep their heads above water, pulling on each other for help, well I suppose you can see where this will lead.
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In a friendship relationship, you have a mutual sharing
& supportive role. They hope to rely on you as much as you do on them.
That's the ideal, but often the balance is skewed.
I've noticed that because I haven't liked myself, I allowed my relationships to become so skewed away from supporting me, that there was quite the opposite. In truth, these relationships ought not be described as friendships at some point. Also, the people I was in relationships with didn't have any respect or feelings about wanting to look out for me, care for me, or anything, but because I didn't care for me either I didn't see.
I think when we like ourselves, we see more. We care more
for others too. We care more for the shape of our relationships.
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I’ve just asked myself, do I like writing because it
takes me out of my emotions, or because it takes me to them, as I am learning
to express them & convey them, to others, having them recognised &
accepted?
The turmoil gets confusing, but I find the words help to sort out the mess.
Virtual hugs to you, Doolhof,
mmMekitty
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Hi Everyone and thankyou for being a part off the discussion too!
Hey mmMeKitty....Thankyou for staying on topic with your helpful post! You mentioned... "I've noticed that because I haven't liked myself, I allowed my relationships to become so skewed away from supporting me, that there was quite the opposite. In truth, these relationships ought not be described as friendships at some point"
You are spot on with your post.....I have found myself in the same situation as yourself during periods of not liking myself. Thankyou for your clarity
my kind thoughts
Paul
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Thank you, Paul.
I felt like saying something flippant, you know, to brush it off, but, no, you don't deserver that. I know I still feel embarrassed to receive a compliment,& that's why I wanted to say something silly.
I'd rather say, "Thank you, Paul. It feels good to think I have managed to say something someone else has thought or felt & that my saying it has in a small way, helped them, to feel understood." 😸
But I still feel shy & embarrassed. I don't feel at all comfortable with any feelings of having achieved anything, pride, or being singled out - ¬ when I had failed either, for that matter, because that came with other feelings. It seems I'm not supposed to be really good at something, win, or be the best, to feel that 'I can do anything'. That is more uncomfortable than being the 'Dunce'. & I did have to wear a pointy 'Dunce Cap' when I was a little kid, in USA, & had to walk from the front of the classroom to the back to sit on a stool for the rest of the lesson, because I got a 'D' on a test. Talk about shame inducing!
& the kids that won things & who had top grades were teased.
Better to be mediocre in the middle, not standing out for any reason. How sad is that? & illogical: we're all different to everyone else is some way or other. It's how we tell each other apart! 😺
Thank you, now, for getting me going on this topic!
mmMekitty
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Hi Everyone,
Thanks to all who share their thoughts here. It can be comforting in a way to know that others struggle with liking themselves for what ever reason and to also read the encouraging stories of moving on, hope and acceptance.
mmKitty thanks for the virtual hugs.
Friday I awoke in an immense black cloud that I had trouble lifting all day. I acknowledged it was horrid. I worked on ways of accepting that and trying to like myself while I was confused by my depression.
I used the negative energy in a positive way, I worked hard in the garden, I connected with friends via text messages, I did a puzzle, I wrote out Christmas cards, I read a book, I had a snooze with the cat.
The day still felt like a black cloud was enveloping me. I do like myself because I made it through that day!
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Dools
Thanks for sharing how you coped with a day when you felt a black cloud was enveloping you. You kept busy and diverted your energy.
I am proud of you too.
I distract myself when I feel overwhelmed or feel the tears coming. After a day of volunteering I like myself for the way I got through the day.
I suppose liking ourselves on days when we don’t cope is the next step.
Does anyone have any ideas ?
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Some random thoughts...
In that time you don't like yourself - what changed?
Have a list of the positive things you have done. Refer to those?
Perhaps a walk or do some gardening?
End of thoughts for the moment
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Thanks smallwolf.
I have tried those things. I suppose for me when a loved one is critical it really hurts so I tend not to be able to convince myself I am likeable .
I walk and think positive thoughts and tell myself the comments are about them .
It is a slow process but worth the effort.
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Hi Everyone...Dools...Quirky.....and thankyou for being a part of the discussion/thread topic!
Hey mmMekitty....no worries at all.....Its always great to have some positive feedback! I remember wearing that 'Dunce Cap' a long time ago in Niagara Falls CA. Accepting a compliment is still hard for me as well. I understand where you are coming from
Hey Tim....thankyou for jumping in with your helpful input! You have been on the forums for a long time and your balanced posts are always welcome!
Hey Quirky.....always great to have your support across the forums...You mentioned..'We don't always know the tone behind the writing here either!'....?
Lets be gentle to each other on the forums. If some members are uncomfortable with the thought of attending counselling that is fine....This thread is about liking ourselves
my kind thoughts
Paul
