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Is positivity always helpful.?

quirkywords
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In the last decade there has bee a big emphasis on being positive all the time.

I have had a problem with this and now I am reading articles that agree with me that in some instances being over positive can not be appropriate or even helpful.

How can positivity be extreme you may ask? Positivity has a time and place, and if ill timed or relied on in an inappropriate situation, positivity has the potential to be dangerous.

However it can be harmful to relationships, particularly when a person is struggling and their partner pushes them to “look on the bright side” without listening to what they are feeling.

What do you think?
So are ok when someone tells you to look at what you have and not to complain?

Or do you find when you are telling people how you are feeling that they don’t listen and tell you to be grateful, that you get annoyed.

Let me know what you think.

Is there a time and place for positivity?

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Hi all,

Tony, it's amazing how much can be conveyed without a word spoken. Far better than any empty platitudes, I'm sure you would agree.

I agree it is easier to be negative than positive. We see and experience so much hardship and suffering, it can overwhelm our ability to process the concept of anything good. Doubly so for those of us who have had people feeding us negative messages our whole lives.

As for people with negative world views or low confidence responding to motivated people, I think it's more complex than feeling that the motivated attitude is unachievable. It seems also unrealistic, shallow, forced and often downright fake. There is a resistance to that perception of dishonesty. You are right though, in my opinion, that motivation is a thing that works best introduced gradually, in an achievable way. I'm dogged in my approach to achieving big goals, I pull them apart, work out my first step, do it, then move on to the next. Too much of a big picture hampers progress and causes overwhelm, it's just one foot in front of the other. It's what my pessimistic nature can handle.

Sleepy, your words hit home for me, about having to problem solve for yourself from a very young age. I too have had to be very self-sufficient, and asking for help or admitting to vulnerability are crazy hard for me. Sitting with grief, also hard. I don't always try and throw up a positive at the end of speaking about a bad time, my reflex is to be planning immediately to fix it.

Allowing that tomorrow could be better is fine. But so is accepting that sometimes today just sucks. My psych and I have been talking about the value of simply feeling the negatives, experiencing them - hurt, sadness, etc. - is vital in healing. Hence why I've come so far in some ways, fixing my problems in that bull headed way of mine, but internally there is still a lot of conflict. I don't sit well with that stuff, I feel compelled to make the vulnerability go away. Some people do that by projecting false or toxic positivity instead of acknowledging the problem. This seems like a good space for us to just breathe, acknowledge that whether or not they could be worse, we do have our struggles and how we feel about them is valid. We are allowed to grieve or hurt and sit with those feelings before we can genuinely see the rainbows and lollipops or whatever.

Blue.

Guest_1643
Blue Voices Member
Blue Voices Member

Hi Blues...amazing words, I really felt that.

Lollipops is the world I grew up in.

I guess this really gets to the main question asked by the op, that yes positivity can be unhelpful.

CMF
Blue Voices Member
Blue Voices Member

Positivity is not always helpful. It invalidates feelings we are allowed to have.

Cmf x

Guest_1643
Blue Voices Member
Blue Voices Member

I agree cmf.

I think there are a few myths in society that are very toxic.

I think also the idea that we can change situations or ppl...

Is connected to this.

Something are bad, unsafe, unhelpful and so are some ppl in our lives. They don't help us. They make us feel worse.

I think for women sometimes it's even harder, we are socialised that being angry or upset is the worst thing in the world.

And so we become muted. Having a safe space to feel ,y feelings has been good. Thanks all for being so open in this thread, 🙏 🙌

Hello Tony, CMF, blue’s clues, Sleepy and all those reading.

Thanks for all your thoughtful posts.
I was taught from a young age there are always people worse off and I need to be grateful. Of course that is true but as blue’s clues says we instantly invalidate ourselves or others do it by saying be grateful.

i know there are so many people suffering in the world but I was not allowed to even grieve what I lost in the fires for even a day. Be grateful, be thankful , look at what you have.

I agree with sleepy we are muted when we do t allow people to express their emotions.

Hi Quirky

I truly believe that the people saying to you one day after the fires "be grateful...." had their heart in the right place. There is situations that people end up in that doesnt matter what they say it wont cushion you enough.

Therefore it is your ability to take it either way. Unfortunately many of us here will take it negatively because 1/ you've just lost property and been traumatised 2/ that no amount of love and care will "fix" what just happened 3/ That none of them at that time were professional psychologists or similar that had the best avenue of support you needed.

To suggest to someone that is traumatised "be grateful you are healthy/alive/have each other" etc is to say "I will try to make you feel ok after what you've gone through." in other words- "forget about material things that can be replaced- you survived". This form of comment is to try to comfort, it would have had no ill intent regardless of how it was received by your good self.

One of the biggest errors the general public make post traumatic events is to undervalue the power of a hand on the shoulder or a cuppa and a hold of the hand...or just being there and listening. Words can be taken wrongly.

TonyWK

Hi all,

Sleepy, glad I had something to say that resonated with you. I agree with you that women are particularly taught to just smile and pretend everything is fine. It's an unhealthy societal norm. Real Stepford Wives stuff.

Quirky, cheers for the acknowledgement. There is definitely a time for being grateful, but there is also a time for grief or sadness or hurt. Ignoring those negative emotions gives them so much more power and does so much damage in the long run. There's also something I read about trauma, that the maladaptive coping mechanisms typically come about when a person doesn't have emotional support at the time of a traumatic event. I.e. if they are not acknowledged, validated, heard. That little passage I read about trauma taught me so much about my own, and why things I hadn't regarded as trauma (neglect from family and later in relationships, & infidelity) presented in me as PTSD symptoms. There was no acknowledgement, no validation, no-one listening - heck, without already knowing it as trauma to give me the right search terms, not even any sort of indication through research that it was - everything was glossed over. It's not so bad, it could be worse, blah blah. That rubbish is the making of one unholy mess of a person. I certainly understand why being told to be grateful from the minute you came away from those fires has hurt you. Perhaps, as Tony says, not by intent, but the result is the result. There needs to be at least one voice to say "It's okay to grieve", or to listen and hold space with you, so we don't just turn inward and wonder if our pain is even justified.

Blue.

It’s not so bad it could be worse , blue’s clues. I have heard those words. I cried a bit but never truly encouraged to grieve . You are right just one person needs to understand the need to express deep emotions.

A question when is positivity useful. I hang on to realistic hope and that helps. That means I acknowledge my pain but also I have hope for the future. Not all the time but for me nope is not the same as always being positive.

On The Road
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I just don't get that much of the "positive vibe", I don't think the whole world is either positive or negative, there are loads of "neutral moments" Sometimes I see graffiti on the wall, billboards or posters. There are lots of bright colours, people's smiling faces, inspirational quotes etc. To be honest, they don't always give me a mood boost or have an influence on my thoughts and behaviours. Seeing these on a bad day I was more like "ok you do you, I am not gonna buy your products and being preached by your annoying positivity" 😂

Hi on the road

Marketing, false motivation (unrealistic goals) and so on tarnish what can be a life changing mindset.

I believe positivity it's greatest achievement is to extract your very very best abilities. As soon as you deviate into unreachable goals you lose that key ingredient to achieve, fail at the goal and make yourself feel worse.

Furthermore, to be so ultra positive that you punish yourself when failing is also not reasonable. It's all a fine line.

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