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Just Sara A Bouquet for Pearls - share your appreciation for other members
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Every now and then, members share a beautiful Pearl of Wisdom. How often do you think to yourself; "OMG that's great! I wish everyone could see this." Presenting someone with a bunch of flowers is a generous way of acknowledging their insightful word... View more

Every now and then, members share a beautiful Pearl of Wisdom. How often do you think to yourself; "OMG that's great! I wish everyone could see this." Presenting someone with a bunch of flowers is a generous way of acknowledging their insightful words. I hope this thread stays active through members giving out praise regularly to people they feel deserving, and therefore keep generosity of spirit alive within the pages of BeyondBlue Forum. My bunch of Red Roses (my choice) goes to Wishful for the following sentence; 'Personally, I see no reason to be praised in me, but I'm learning that seeing through the eyes of others can be more accurate!!' I so hear you Wishful. Just beautiful... Try to keep your leading comments short to focus on 'their' words. Choose specific flowers (or a gift if you like) to present to them. Sign off respectfully and sincerely. I hope this takes off... Spreading the love...Sara

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CrashCoyote DOG, a New Years resolution;
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Hi everyone, I have made many new years resolutions over the years, I think I've resolved to lose weight for the last twenty odd! My target this year is alcohol, so I am seeing how many Days Off Grog I can have. I started on NYE day so will have comp... View more

Hi everyone, I have made many new years resolutions over the years, I think I've resolved to lose weight for the last twenty odd! My target this year is alcohol, so I am seeing how many Days Off Grog I can have. I started on NYE day so will have completed sixteen by the end of the fifteenth. Is anyone doing this? If you want to do it with me, just post your number of days. Anything else is optional. Kind regards, John.

white knight When emotions take over logic
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Awareness or insight are valuable things to have. Some people with mental illness have no insight to their behaviour and their actions. Humans, regardless whether they have mental illness or not commonly display periods in their life whereby emotions... View more

Awareness or insight are valuable things to have. Some people with mental illness have no insight to their behaviour and their actions. Humans, regardless whether they have mental illness or not commonly display periods in their life whereby emotions overtake logic. You can observe this often. At work, in the street, with family. Someone gets upset and no amount of calming or injection of logic seems to make a difference. They are in a "state" as we say. In a "lather". Made worse with alcohol I must suggest. If we are aware of how potent our emotions can be on our thinking and therefore our actions then perhaps we can introduce a plan to self instruct ourselves. A u-turn of reactions. There is no magic method. It's all about awareness. That your thoughts are not as logical as they would be without your emotions taking over. A clear example for me was some comments my mother used to make under high emotion (I'm estranged from her and I believe she has cronic BPD). Normal logic comment "The frost got my tomatoes but the other vegies might survive ok" Under emotion "Oh, the frost got my tomatoes....I might as well pull out all the vegetable garden and start again. I'm a useless gardener". Now I acknowledge the above is riddled with other mental illness issues but you get my meaning that her behaviour under emotional "control" is vastly different, more negative, a greater impact upon family members. My mother had no insight and was never easily approachable as she took the most tactfully put comments as a threat. Terror resulted (when we were kids) or alienation or all out war pursued when we entered adulthood. Also ramifications on family members or friends would continue. My dear old dad would likely rip up all the vegie patch following her emotional outburst. Then once she settled and logic returned she'd tell him "you shouldnt have listened to me". Now admittedly that example is from someone that has a swinging mood issue that required treatment. But often some of us live in a world of extremes. So what can you do? Of course always consult your doctor if you are aware of your emotional instability or you are told so. Often we have to rely on others to tell us if our behaviour is not stable be it mood, rapid pace of speech or other symptom. Take others observations seriously and not personally. That isnt easy but remember- it isnt easy for them either. Everyone just wants us to be as well as we can be. It's their way of loving us. Love them back by listening.

JessF Is low self-esteem really a problem?
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Now this may ruffle a few feathers, so I want to start by saying that what I’m about to write does not apply for people who have been abused or belittled throughout their lives and have come to have a very false sense of their true value as a person.... View more

Now this may ruffle a few feathers, so I want to start by saying that what I’m about to write does not apply for people who have been abused or belittled throughout their lives and have come to have a very false sense of their true value as a person. Most of us with depression, thankfully, do not have these terrible traumas to have copied with but are depressed nonetheless. So with that caveat out the way…If you could boil your depression down to a single thought, that single thought is often ‘I feel bad about myself’. My question is, should we feel good about ourselves all the time? Are we entitled to? I don’t believe we are. Emotions such as guilt and regret can have very valid underpinnings, and can be a pause for us to reflect and ask ourselves, if I am feeling bad about myself, why is this, and most importantly…is there anything I can do to change things? Sometimes I think that simply accepting the phrase ‘I have low self-esteem’ can be an excuse for us not to make the changes in our lives that we need to make. And this is also why when we are feeling low about ourselves, that having well meaning friends tell us the opposite has very little effect. And if we ever were to truly believe these glowing compliments about ourselves, then we would be dangerous narcissists. Don’t you think that accepting yourself, warts and all, is more likely to help you stay well than an unwavering belief that you a wonderful person?

LPS85 I think I'm getting there...
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First time on here. I've been fighting since I was 15. I think I'm getting there now. 15 years. I know it sounds like a long time but it has been a very gradual process, getting better and stronger as the years added up. Plus I don't feel nearly thir... View more

First time on here. I've been fighting since I was 15. I think I'm getting there now. 15 years. I know it sounds like a long time but it has been a very gradual process, getting better and stronger as the years added up. Plus I don't feel nearly thirty!!!! what was the thing that helped most in getting me out of the darkness? Actually wanting help and being determined to do what I had to do. Medication AND therapy! Not one or the other. What helped was finding a psychologist I felt understood and was invested in helping me. you wouldn't think to look at me now, I have a very good job and just got a promotion, I'm educated, building my own house, I have friends and family that I love and who love me. but it wasn't always that way and I don't think it will ever truly be over. I just made a choice...and I chose to do the hard work. What you think is so powerful, it doesn't have to be real though, you can choose to entertain a thought. I didn't realise this for a long time, then I took me even longer to actually gain control over them. They still creep in. I thought getting on here and sharing would help me and maybe, by chance help someone else im happy to talk more about my experience. My lowest times. How I got through them. Like the rain app!! It's just an app for that plays the sound of rain, it still helps me when my mind won't stop.

Kat1985 The Trouble with Recovery..
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"It starts as a light shower, foggy, misty, enough to make you realise you are probably going to need that umbrella. As the rain gets heavier, you expand your umbrella, you find some shelter and you hope that with these protective measures in place, ... View more

"It starts as a light shower, foggy, misty, enough to make you realise you are probably going to need that umbrella. As the rain gets heavier, you expand your umbrella, you find some shelter and you hope that with these protective measures in place, you’ll be able to avoid the storm that may well follow. Sometimes you’re lucky, and the storm never comes. The umbrella, and the shelter, have saved you from the wrath of a storm you’ll never fully understand. Sometimes though, it’s not that simple. And no matter how big the umbrella is, even if you’re in a storm shelter, the lightning, the wind, and the thunder crashing around you, destroys everything in its path, taking away your sense of hope, strength, and courage, leaving you to wonder whether it will ever pass. Will the sun ever shine again? Because right now, you really can’t be sure. And as you pull yourself out from the rubble around you, waiting, hoping for that damn rainbow to appear and prove to you that this storm, no matter how severe, will pass, and you will survive, just as you have with every other storm you’ve encountered so far." The trouble with recovery is that, for most of us, it's a journey, not a destination. It's easy in those moments where the road to recovery becomes bumpy, winding, and unfamiliar to feel as though you've slipped back to exactly where you started. It becomes easy to forget that you're not the same person you were in the beginning, you're braver, you're stronger and you've proven that you've overcome these bumps before. The trouble with recovery is that there will be bumps in the road, the road will continue winding, you will lose sight of the road ahead at times, and each time, despite the logic that you're still trying after all this time, you still feel like a failure at recovery. This week has been the most emotional week I remember having in forever, and in each of these emotional moments, I've questioned myself as to whether I'm really on "the road to recovery"... The truth is recovery is a journey, not a destination, and in the confusion of the two, we forget that sometimes we might take two steps forward, and one step back, and that's perfectly okay. The trouble with recovery is there are no rules, there is no definite path. We all have our own journey to travel, some going in completely different directions than others. The trouble with recovery is... keeping the faith that I can do this, I am worth it, and that I am enough.

JustTiffanyxo Depression Overload - learning to say you're not ok
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Yesterday was one of the hardest/embarrassing days of my entire life and it all started with the question, "Are you OK?".I couldn't help but break down in tears. And by tears I mean 'letting the flood gates open'. To make matters worse, I was at work... View more

Yesterday was one of the hardest/embarrassing days of my entire life and it all started with the question, "Are you OK?".I couldn't help but break down in tears. And by tears I mean 'letting the flood gates open'. To make matters worse, I was at work . My colleague lead me into her office where I continued to cry. I sobbed. Heavily. I couldn't control it. This massive wave of emotion just swept over me. I had lost control. Couldn't fake a smile any more. Couldn't fake that I was the happiest person in the world. I crumbled. It gets exhausting pretending sometimes. To slap on a happy face and 'forget' all your worries. People I work with saw how broken I am. People who thought I was 'well put together'. So many people were worried about me and at the time I just couldn't see why. I felt only embarrassment at my torrent of tears and emotions. My secret had finally come out. I have clinical depression and have had so for 14 years.I don't like to say that I am depressed as I feel that term is too commonly used. I hear people say it all the time and I think to myself are you just sad? or have you actually been diagnosed with depression?I have battled depression for many many years. And what a tumultuous time that has been. Full of ups and downs (more so downs). The biggest mistake I ever did was HIDE the fact that I have depression. I still make that mistake. You think you'd learn from your mistakes, but in this case, it keeps happening time and time again. I'd like to say that I'm better with coping with my depression and talking about things that are getting me down, but alas, I am not. This 'mini meltdown' happened because I had bottled my feelings up and not talked about them. Became overwhelmed because of them. I didn't now how to talk about them. I didn't want to burden anybody with my petty issues. I often feel sorry for my partner who cops most of the brunt of my depression. He's amazingly supportive and will drop everything to be with me. He's a special kind of person to me. Yet I still find it difficult to talk through things that are going around in my head in fear that he'll think I'm being silly or stupid. I talk to him about things but probably not as in depth or as much as I should.This new wave of depression is yet another learning curve for me. I will not let it beat me this time. I will learn that I am good enough. I will learn to reach out for help. I will not give up.

white knight Depression and Toxic people
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What is a toxic person? I think it is someone that can be destructive to others as one on one or often in a group. Toxic people often easily fit into cliques in groups. They can be possessive, nasty, cunning, sly, manipulative, and abrasive and they ... View more

What is a toxic person? I think it is someone that can be destructive to others as one on one or often in a group. Toxic people often easily fit into cliques in groups. They can be possessive, nasty, cunning, sly, manipulative, and abrasive and they can also wear a mask, hiding their real self. Whereas many of us wear a mask to shield ourselves from potential hurt, the toxic person wears a mask to enable themselves to penetrate others defences. Before you know it you have opened your heart to them, told them all and sundry about your struggles you regret it Or perhaps you know they are toxic from day one but you cannot, for various reasons ..avoid them. eg family members Knowing a toxic person can be a threat to anyone with a mental illness. Some years ago I began to recognise what a toxic person was...to me and perhaps not to others. The question I had for a long long time was- what do I do about it? Among them was my mother, two aunties (on the other side not related to my mother) and my sister. This is where it gets interesting because I now have the most loving caring relationship with my sister even though I once found her 'toxic'. One has to be careful that whatever action you take is the civil way- eg not used as a weapon but used as purely defense. . Obviously it depends on the person - you. What you feel is apt. As a guide there is every action from befriending them and leaving yourself open to hurt, to eliminating them fully from your life and everything in between. Eliminating is the quickest and surest way to obtain harmony and move on without the drama. But had I did that with my sister ..I wouldnt have her in my life now!. My sister and I for 30 years, had my mother in between us, manipulating each of us against each other. It was this element, one that we both had little control over, that allowed me to not eliminate her. Four years ago events occured whereby we both had to eliminate mother from our lives so we could both recover from our mental struggles and start loving and caring for each other. It worked. So, think deeply about your decision and the conditions of that decision. How those people you push away can contact you if need be. Control how you can be contacted for example. Be wary!!. Remember why you took a stance in the first place - for health reasons being one ingredient of the recipe to help overcome depression. It is a tough decision. For me toxic people are those that I can do without. People stopping my progress to heal.

zailleh Beating Depression the Vulcan way: With Logic.
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Please excuse the Star-Trek reference for those who don't like the show! I've been using a number tools to overcome depression, stemming from knowledge and understanding of how the human mind works and, essentially, "hacking" my brain into doing what... View more

Please excuse the Star-Trek reference for those who don't like the show! I've been using a number tools to overcome depression, stemming from knowledge and understanding of how the human mind works and, essentially, "hacking" my brain into doing what I want. To begin with, there are some basic principles I'd like to highlight upon which my methods are based: 1. Self-Fulfilling Profecies I first came to see this as a tool for hacking my brain when researching motivation. Self-fulfilling prophecies are very useful in terms of increased motivation and performance and can be used to help overcome fears and more. 2. Turn it arround This concept is often used to help adjust negative thought patterns but this method has some specific ways in which you can apply the concept of turning it around. 3. Data, data, data. I don't have a reference for this, it's just something that I find that I need to do in order to actually make a difference to myself. I record everything I can think of. 4. Using project management tools on your own mental health to set goals. See: SMART criteria and SWOT analysis I was first exposed to these tools in my job and I realised that I can apply them to anything and everything. The benefit of using these tools begins with the simple fact that they make you think more deeply about your goals; that mere fact means you're more likely to succeed! (Also see point 1, Self-Fulfilling Prophecies) 5. Reward yourself Reward system and Anhedonia This one is important; when you're depressed things are more difficult to do but you still see them as trivial, like taking a shower for example, so you tell yourself that it's not a big deal it was just taking a shower and then you make yourself feel worse by thinking that it was so hard for you to do such a trivial thing. Rewarding yourself means recognising that the task was difficult for you in your current situation and yet you did it anway, and this is an achievement worthy of celebration and reward. Choose your reward carefully so as to not become dependent on something (don't reward yourself with food, alcohol, cigarettes or anything else that has a negative health impact.) 1. Self-Fulfilling Prophecies, an example: I pretty common self-fulfilling prophecy that I encounter is "I can't do it". Say I set out to go for a run first thing in the morning, that's my goal. In my depressed state I'm going to tell myself, "I can't do it". The problem here is that "I can't do it" comes with reasons why I can't do it. I'm hopeless. I'm a failure. I can't do anything. And thus, when I do fail to go for a run in the morning, I confirm my prophecy that I can't do it and, by proxy, all of the negative "facts" associated with it. I am hopeless; I couldn't go for a run this morning as was my goal, this is proof. 2. Instead, we need to "Turn it around": Start by asking yourself the questions; "Is it true?", If yes, "Can you know absolutely that it's true?", "How do you react and what happens when you believe that thought?" and "Who would you be without the thought?", then proceed to turn it around. "I can do it." Elaborate on why you CAN do it. 3.Data, data, data. Write it all down. Write down all the thoughts and questions and answers associated with it. The act of writing it will help make it more real, additionally it will help to guide you as a reference. For example, I like to keep a table (I work in IT so I do most of my data on a computer) in Excel with all of the things that make me feel good about myself. I like to keep a list of all of my achievements. Write down my negative thoughts and my turn-arounds; but I don't just list them, I write down my thoughts. How does it make me feel? Why does it make me feel like that? I explore as deeply as I can all aspects of how I'm feeling and I find that I discover things about myself and my feelings that, often times, surprise the heck out of me. 4. For bigger goals, I've started using project management tools to elaborate on my goals and help give me direction. For example, I want to start running in the mornings. I want to eventually run for 5km every morning. Combining the SMARTER and the SWOT helped me to identify my strengths, weaknesses, obstacles, what I actually want from it, my motivation and how I will actually know when I've succeeded. Most importantly, this knowledge then helps you get off the ground. Clearly it's an arduous task to suddenly one morning get up and run for 30 minutes every day. So how will I start? I'll just run around the block, it's 5 minute run, if that. Motivation? I'll involve my partner. If I don't get up to go for the run, she'll poke me and say hey, let's go -- just that little bit of extra help to get moving. I can come up with these things because I put thought into my goal and how I was going to achieve it. Again, writing all this down helps make it more real; 6 months down the track I can say that for certain I've reached my goal because I wrote it down. It's solid, it's concrete, it's rewarding to tick things off that list. 5. Reward yourself. Finally, stop comparing yourself to everyone else. You wouldn't beat yourself up because you couldn't run as fast a Usain Bolt, especially if all you've ever done was jog on a treadmill for 20 minutes 3 times a week. It's an entirely different field; wait until you're on the track next to Usain Bold before you start comparing yourself to him. Realise that what's difficult for you is just that, difficult for you. If running for 20 minutes on a treadmill is difficult for you, it's an achievement when you do it, and even more so when you exceed it. So reward yourself for the small victories, give yourself a pat on the back, congratulate yourself on a job well done and move on to the next goal. Write it down as a victory! Extra: Be positive about things when you're writing them down even if you don't believe it at the time. Associate positive feelings with things. It can be another one of your goals to associate a positive feeling with everything that's good even if you don't necessarily feel it! Disclaimer: Applying these things to yourself is obviously an individual thing and these things are all based on my own experience. Additionally, depending on where you're at with depression it can be a near impossible task to think of things logically like this; I still struggle to do it on my really bad days.

Gertie Protein
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I rarely post, but read the forum and thought I would share one of ways of staying well. I have been on medication for MDD for over 30 years and have found having adequate protein in my diet is one of the ways I stay "steady". I read a book several y... View more

I rarely post, but read the forum and thought I would share one of ways of staying well. I have been on medication for MDD for over 30 years and have found having adequate protein in my diet is one of the ways I stay "steady". I read a book several years ago "Potatoes not Prozac" and dabbled with it everyone now and then. I began to realise how much steadier I felt when having adequate protein for 3 meals a day. It is based on an alchol recovery program (I dont drink). I dont do all of the steps, just adequate protein 3 times a day. This in additon to the meds.

white knight Do YOU need a jolt?
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As children, our parents made us do things. They were the guide that force us to respond to our chores. They had an invisible hand on our backs that "better take the rubbish out or mum will yell". Then as Teenagers that hand slowly went away to allow... View more

As children, our parents made us do things. They were the guide that force us to respond to our chores. They had an invisible hand on our backs that "better take the rubbish out or mum will yell". Then as Teenagers that hand slowly went away to allow for us to think for ourselves. But parents were still around and they kept giving advice or "you know you have to take the rubbish out, you're old enough to remember without me telling you". I recall in the RAAF as a young 17 year old. We had recruit training and our corporal yelled and yelled especially when running holding our rifles high, as we dropped back he'd yell and I'd run back up to hold my position in the flight (team). It was only after that training period that I realised that no matter how hard I tried, I would never run that hard again nor get that fit again, all because I didnt have that ex Vietnam veteran yelling at me. And so adulthood comes with more freedoms. We seek accommodation on our own and we can easily become lazy. With a lazy partner its worse still. If friends come over we can just toss our unfolded washing into our bedroom and they would be non the wiser. We can do whatever we want. No one is there to push us. It' bliss. But like all positives in life there are negatives and visa versa. You then become mentally ill and this (in your case) makes your laziness much worse until you realise and get diagnosed. Often this leads to a messy life as the dishes stack up. You are ill and there is an excuse this time. And that's ok. But what if we have that imaginary disciplinarian hovering over you once you start breaking away from your depressive cycle or on a day you feel good. On a day you feel good, starting with a good warm shower then fall into bed again...why? ...because you can!! There is no one guiding you, telling you that on a good day it is a rare opportunity for you to keep the break in that cycle going. No one. Just you and whatever traces there are of your person that once pushed yourself to do what you had to do. You then need a jolt. Trouble is, in this thread I cant offer you one. I just know, through my own personal experiences, that you need one. Life has its challenges. The problem is if you cant meet those challenges then you either fall in a heap and things get worse which contributes towards your illness or someone else takes up the slack. Knowing you need a wake up call is half the challenge met...