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I’ve been struggling with depression lately and have been experiencing some very dark moods. I haven’t missed a day of work or caring for my family, even though I barely hold it together some days and my weekends are usually spent recovering. I’ve been on SSRIs for a few months that I feel aren’t working that well and have also scheduled a review with my GP this week. Am also going to ask for counselling just so that I can talk to someone about my issues, as I am not one for burdening friends and family with my problems.
Just recently I have started fantasising about a particular method of suicide. Quite graphic thoughts and planning (I won’t go into detail) that has gotten me so concerned that I now take steps so that I physically couldn’t do it. I don’t actually believe that I could do it, I don’t actually think that I am suicidal, but on some days I feel quite reckless about it, almost as if I’m daring myself to do it. I almost enjoy the thought of it. After the urge has passed I think if my kids and I feel like the worst person in the world.
Is this a common thing for when you’re depressed? Is it perhaps related to the medication?
Thanks.
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Croix,
I feel that the weather is a suitable metaphor for my last few months... it has been a series of extreme weather events with periods of prolonged rainfall in between.
Today started well but my mood and confidence deteriorated as the day wore on. I’m feeling a bit fragile this evening, but I figure as long as it is ‘two steps forward, one step back’, rather than the opposite, it is still a positive thing.
How are you going at the moment? Because it shouldn’t all be about me...
Tams
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Dear Tams~
Thanks for asking, the widowed families' stories on TV are very upsetting, but as you say I'll come out of it.
C
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Hello Tams
I had a bad time coming off SSRIs. The last one had a bad interaction with another medication and it was a rapid downhill slide. Think the worst, it happened. A friend gave me this poem (I think it's a poem) which encapsulated how I felt.
Trough
There
is a trough in waves,
a
low spot
where
horizon disappears
and
only sky
and
water
are
our company.
And
there we lose our way
unless we
rest,
knowing the wave will bring us
to
its crest again.
There
we may drown
if
we let fear
hold
us within its grip and shake us
side
to side
and
lead us flailing, torn, disoriented.
But
if we rest there
in
the trough,
in
silence,
being
with
the
low part of the wave,
keeping
our energy and
noticing
the shape of things,
the
flow,
then
time alone
will
bring us to another
place
where
we can see
horizon,
see the land again,
regain
our sense
of
where
we
are,
and
when we need to swim
Judy Brown
I like to think it will give you hope and rest. Not only do all good things end, all bad things also end.
Coming off an SSRI is one of the worst experiences of life. Truly I vowed never to take any more ADs. Then my lovely GP tried me on another group and here I am, mostly calm, incredibly sane, able to make decisions more easily, to live with what I cannot change and yet be the me I was a long time ago. (Well getting there)
Plenty of ups and downs, tears and laughter, temper tantrums and dancing in joy. What more need I say.
Mary
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Hi Tams,
I can understand the weather metaphor you are using. I just started on antidepressants recently and knocked me for 6. The thoughts and dreams were really bad. At the moment things are going OK. But you wonder if those thoughts you had are going to return, never really sure.
But that leads me to your next comment re happier, calmer and not over thinking... Need to enjoy these moments as they appear. A happy memory worth recording. Again, something my psych wants - list of happy memories.
Our minds can suck the happiness out of things so permanent reminders can be helpful. And remembering to take be day at a time and try not to worry about tomorrow.
Smallwolf
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Hi Croix,
Don’t do it to yourself... I can’t watch anything that will make me sad at the moment, I just can’t handle it. I become a complete mess. I have been actively avoiding the news because it’s all bad. I need to avoid anything that triggers sadness and tears. When I’m feeling better I’ll re-engage but for now I need to keep my life pretty small and insular. Can’t cope with anything external.
I hope you recovered ok after the sad stories?
Tams
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Hi Mary,
I’m not normally one for poems but I love that one. It describes the feeling so well. Thanks for sharing it with me.
I’m still feeling ordinary, not sure whether it is coming off the SSRIs (finished a week ago) or the new meds... am eagerly awaiting my next psychiatrist appointment to discuss with her. The anxiety that the SSRIs appears to have returned, or is it the SSRI withdrawals? Or the new meds? Same for the recurring dizzy spells and light headedness? And the sudden bouts of sadness and feeling of worthlessness, is that withdrawals from the old meds, or the new meds being the wrong fit? Or a bad combination of the two? So many questions, so many unpleasant feelings.
And I’m not resting or being gentle with myself, I’m working full time, looking after my family, playing sport, socialising with friends - all as if everything is fine and I’m not falling apart inside. And because I do this so well, nobody feels the need to check up on me and ask if I’m ok.
I’m so glad that you found the right fit of meds and that things are (mostly) good. I liked your statement ‘Plenty of ups and downs, tears and laughter, temper tantrums and dancing in joy’... I’m looking forward to getting to that point again, because that’s what my life used to be like. Sounds wonderful.
Tams
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Hi Smallwolf,
I like the idea of keeping a list of happy memories - is the idea that you can refer to the list when you’re feeling down? As a reminder that things can and will get better?
I seem to have a default list of unhappy times that my brain likes to dredge up when things are going well - would be good to have something positive to counter this.
Please let me know how your happy memory list goes for you, whether it helps you. Am interested to hear how it goes.
Tams
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Happy memory ideas...
Dinner with friends, completing an assignment, buying new music, going to AFL with son, making daughter laugh.
In virtual hope box I have a stack of photos my wife sent me... Herself at Christmas, kids swimming, holiday pics
Happy memory for today... Possible research assistant job.
If something brings a smile to your face, write it down.
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Dear Tams~
Yes it was upsetting, although I was never in the military being in the police has certain similarities, so I could see people I knew echoed in those on TV. Anyway I'm better now. I've been more fragile for many years.
I forget if you know about this thread, but if not have a look at:
Forums / Staying well / Store Your Happy Memories Here:
Reading other's happy times can be a help, when I do it tends to remind me of things from my own life.
Croix
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Hello Tams
I am pleased you liked the poem. It fitted me perfectly when I read it.
I find having a list of alternative activities useful when I get into a tizz. Having unpleasant thoughts about memories is hard and to dislodge. I find it helps to change what I am doing and I have a list of activities. Doing something physical is better for me than finding something to only occupy my mind. I like to embroider and will so this as a distraction as it does need concentration. I know it's not moving around lots but that works. I also get into the garden, weather permitting, and pull out a few weeds. Reading is not good at these times, unless I become absorbed immediately, and neither is watching TV. Cooking or doing housework are good because I have done something positive.
Remembering good times is lovely. I sometimes get out the photo albums and browse through them. Or decide to scrapbook them. Anything that changes your thoughts is good, where you can rest in the trough and stop fighting your thoughts which only lead you to fighting the waves. Let yourself be carried by the water (your new activity) until you are rested and can rise to the top again.
Mary
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