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Until death do us part.
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- ... to love honour and cherish her above all others
- ... in sickness and in health
- ... for better or for worse
- ... all the days of my life
- ... until death do us part
When my daughter turned 18, and there was an argument between my wife and my daughter I had no choice but to side with my wife; the first vow. For the past few months she has been angry about everything. Ok, it's the third vow time (again) -- we've been married over 20 years? Last week she said if I won't leave, she will... and she left. This brings us to parting... the final vow. As it would be amiss of me to ask of her to uphold her final vows, as if she was really wiiling to she'd have never gotten past the third vow. So I guess it falls to me. In order to keep my solumn vows, made before God, if we are to part, by death it must be.
[Note: where faith in God and religion is no longer mainstream, it remains critically important to me. Any response that attacks the religious sacrament of marriage, its intent amongst the religious, or religion in general, is taken in offense. Anything else you may have to say is inconsequential as you shall be without any credibility. So don't do it. I am, however, interested in the collective viewpoint on traditional vows, particularly from those of us who have taken them, and how we move forward (or not) in light of our final vow.]
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dear King, thanks for posting your sad comment, as I have been in the same position as what you are in.
Everybody has their own thoughts on God and it's by choice in how they feel, I don't deny this, nor do I degrade anybody who prays and worships their God, everybody is entitled to what they believe in.
I don't believe in any God, but that's my decision, whereas our two sons were brought up in a Catholic school, and my youngest son said to me the other day that he believes in God, that's fine by me and I'm not going to talk him out of his belief.
Now I hope that I cleared this point, but going back to your comment is exactly what happened to me, my wife left me and she is a Catholic, and is now living in her faiths belief, not to live in sin, so none of our marriage vows have been honoured as she is living with someone else.
I never ever believed that we would ever get a divorce, but after 25 years it happened, so none of the 5 vows have been honoured, although we do still see each other and still talk, but there are so many points which denies, one being that her brother borrowed $66k from us over different periods and hasn't even offered to pay all or some back, she now says it didn't happen, but the bank records say it did.
It's only money as you may say, and I could have wanted half back after our house was sold and settled but I didn't, but her brother has defrauded his mother, brother and many others and he is a Catholic.
Please I am not saying any of this to criticise your faith, and I believe that you honour your religion. Geoff.
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Hi K,
No judgement here but I do have some questions.
Do you really think those vows were written in the literal sense? Or do you think they could have been written as an explanation of unconditional love?
The meaning of death "The cessation of all biological functions that sustain a living organism". Perhaps by death, they meant loss? For example the cessation and subsequent loss of the relationship?
"To love, honor and cherish her above all others" Do you think this was made vow number 1 for a purpose? If she ends the relationship and you decide that death is the only option, are you really showing her true love? Are you truly honoring her? Above all others, are you putting her first or God's will? Do you think maybe you havent gotten past vow number 1?
If you really believed in vow number 5, would you even be questioning "how we move forward"?
Does God believe in taking one's own life?
Thanks in advance for taking the time to respond.
AGrace
(Please note, suicide is an extremely important issue. If this is something you are thinking about please reach out to Beyondblue, Lifeline, or 000)
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Sorry,
I also have to add, im a little confused by your request for non judgement, when you have cast judgement over the possible lack of credibility of others.
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Dear 1 Kings
I am a little confused by your post. For whatever reason your wife has left you and you are, presumably, hurt and disappointed, particularly as you believe that marriage is a life-long commitment. OK I understand this.
What I am puzzled about is your reference to death. Are you saying that because you and your wife are separated that one or other of you should die in order to fulfill these vows? And also are you saying that the person to die is you?
Lets get this clear. I have a clear and substantial belief in the existence of God. This belief sustains me in all I do, so even when I have slipped back into depression, which I have at the moment, I am still trusting in God. What other people think or believe in is up to them.
I thought my marriage would last for ever, that being the way I was brought up. But what happens when your spouse does not honour you above all others? Should I have stayed to be continually bullied and denigrated? Should I have taken my own life because I was suffering at the hands of my spouse? I think if I had stayed much longer I would have died by my own hand. Does God really expect that of me? I tried my best, and trust me, I suffered for it. And I still suffer, but critically I have the support of my four children in leaving. I cannot believe God will condone self-murder.
This is a hugely emotional issue for me. Marriage vows I always believed are sacred, but putting oneself in harms way is indefensible.
LING
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Hey, first I need to apologise to the group moderators. I had previously written a response on this, which they chose to not publish; to which I became upset and wrote a rather rude email directed at them and tried to run away from the forum. I acted emotionally and not logically; pretty stupidly actually.
So a revised response is:
Thank you for the replies and apologies for the confusions. I wasn't really sure how to ask the question. And, I didn't ask it all that well. Actually, in hindsight, I had a lot of things misinterpreted -- from the out-of-context username I chose, to what a marriage vow actually is. See, I did take the vows quite literally; and now I know that was probably the wrong way to look at them. I wonder if I might have a stronger relationship with my elder daughter today, had I not been so literal with their interpretation.
For those of you who are interested, I follow a Christian faith (which aspect thereof I think is inconsequential to this thread). @AGrace, I didn't mean to be prejudicial against non-religious responses. I did, however, wish to abate the anti-religious arguments about the vows in the first place. Those normally offside me from the get-go.
@Life is not good, Yes marriage is a life long commitment. "Are you saying that because you and your wife are separated that one or other of you should die in order to fulfill these vows?" If I had continued with my previously misinterpreted and warped path carried thus far, it would have been, but no longer.
But after the moderator/s denied my post of further inquiry, I was angry. I thought, "fine, I don't need you then," "I'll do this on my own; I don't need you, her or anybody else." When I calmed down, I realised the moderators gave me a wonderful gift by not posting. They made me realise I am capable of living, even if I am no longer wed.
Sure it hurts, but then my younger daughter said "I love you daddy," and gave me a hug. That had instantly made up for all of the pain and anguish I have felt over the past two weeks. It was exactly what I needed; to be needed, to matter to someone
Last night I slept alone without feeling alone. I may no longer be the other-half of a marriage, but I am still an important part of my children's lives. I now realise that being discarded by one, is being not discarded by all.
I apologize to the group if I have caused anyone undue pain or concern, it was not my intent. I was thinking selfishly, when I should be more selfless for others.
T.