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Do You Like Yourself? Your Thoughts are Welcome!

blondguy
Champion Alumni
Champion Alumni

Hello Everybody and new posters especially:-)

I have had anxiety since 1983 and depression from 1997. There is always someone that says 'You have to Love Yourself' before recovery. When people are suffering from anxiety/depression this may be the last 'advice' they really need. This is only my experience when I am 'advised to love myself' to rebuild my life. I have heard the following from people that cant 'love themselves' which is fair enough as I am a person that cant either. Your thoughts will help me and others learn from your point of view. I can only be 'gentle' to myself to heal...not love.

  • Why should I love myself if I dont in the first place?
  • I am in a dark place, how can I love myself?
  • I dont deserve to love myself
  • I am depressed...How can I love myself?
  • I have mega anxiety attacks..what is there to love about myself?
  • I hate myself and what I stand for...why should I?
  • I love my partner more...I will care about myself 'later'

When people have depression/anxiety/denial they dont need to be counseled with ' love yourself'. Thats a huge ask.

I dont need to climb Mt Everest by trying to love myself when I cant. It can be an unrealistic and even silly target to achieve having depression

I just prefer to be 'gentle' to myself. Same results and way less stress 🙂 Your thoughts/opinions are more than welcome

Thankyou so much

Paul

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Jstar49
Community Member

Hey everyone

interesting aspect of liking oneself- dealing with confrontation. And I find it insightful Grandy, that you feel this way about confrontation, as I have significant others that avoid confrontation and it has often puzzled me.... I guess I have more understanding from reading your post.
I liked what Rx said, about some ppl being able to almost let others difficult behaviour slide right off them, deflect it with a word or a look. I would love to be able to do that also, but in a loving compassionate way, not as a put down.
I think we’re all here for a reason, and can learn from each other.
Theres an I ~Ching reading which talks about the high road or the low road- meaning we can learn from situations/ ppl in an enlightened way which is utilising our higher consciousness, or thru reacting and suffering the consequences ( my probably flawed interpretation of it!) Either way we will learn the lesson. One way will be more.... pleasant.
Sometimes ppl need someone to dump on, and I’ve been on the receiving end of that. Never in a DV situation tho, so I can only have compassion for you in that regard Grandy. But I guess I remind myself of that in my process of forgiving them for the effect. On me.

It is the other person who really ought to receive your dislike G.
Is it karate which uses the other persons strength and momentum against them? Somehow that seems relevant to this discussion....

Best wishes,

J*

Hi Everyone!....I havent been on here for a while as have been caring for my unvaccinated 91 year old mum

Hey RX...always great to read your posts...and yes apologizing when warranted is always a smart move. There are some people that continually apologize for matters that dont require it yet its usually due to low self esteem I hope you have been doing okay!

Hey mmMekitty...thankyou heaps for the balance and care you provide to new and existing members on the forums! Congrats on your Valued Contributor badge! Nice1

Hey Amelia02....Its great to have your life experience here and on the forums! Welcome.

Hey HamSolo01...we have been chatting for a long time and your clarity is always appreciated. I also dont like some things about myself....especially not being assertive when I need to be...I hear you HS

Hey Learn to Fly....Thankyou for your super kind input...You are spot on about Grandy...she does have a huge heart, and always has such warm and beautiful words for others no matter who the member is...whether a senior volunteer or a newbie

Hey Ggrand....you mentioned on the last page about our upbringing having a lot to do with our self assertiveness...or lack of.... You have always have been an asset to the Beyond Blue forums since you joined...Thankyou for being you and Hugs always

Hey missep123....Its always a bonus to have you providing support for so many people on the forums....You always speak from the heart . Thankyou for the support you provide to so many and helping out here too 🙂

Hey Jstar49....Thankyou for your heartfelt post (and great to see you!) You are spot on. I find liking myself not a huge issue yet I grow weary of confrontation especially after 40 years of GAD..even with treatment !

I hope everyone has a really good week

my kindest thoughts

Paul

mmMekitty
Valued Contributor
Valued Contributor

Thank you, Paul. I was surprised when I saw that little badge. 😺

Best of health & happiness to you & your mum.

mmMekitty

Paul

How are you coping. I hope you are looking after yourself as well.

You know I really get a lot of ideas from this thread and am always interested in the different ways people interpret and respond to the question.

grandy I relate to trying to be assertive but not being able to.

Ggrand
Community Champion
Community Champion

Hello Dear Paul,...and everyone else..🤗..

After a very busy and tiring day today at my volunteer work...I came here into Beyond Blue, my second home...Paul...Thank you so much for what you said, your words made me feel useful....Thank you so much...and for the hug...

Jstar, I have forgiven my late husband..for the way he treated me... forgiving myself is another story...I am okay with myself now....a lot better then a few years ago...

I have learnt so much about life and living it, relationships, mental health, some great coping tools to help....plus so very much all...I even learnt a little bit of trust....from the wonderful community members that post in the forums...Here is really a life saver for many people..

Kitty, I’m so sorry...I didn’t see your new badge.. Congratulations lovely lady....you really do so much deserve it..

Quirky....I am sorry that you also cannot be assertive...Do you accept or like that part of you?....

I find it hard to accept or like that part of me.....I think maybe because I feel it’s the number one contributor to my traumatic past...

Kind thoughts with my care and hugs..

Grandy..

quirkywords
Community Champion
Community Champion

Grandy

I like it when I can ignore controlling behaviour because when I am assertive sometimes it makes things worse and I am seen as aggressive .

I find I don’t like the way I get triggered by things which I don’t feel should be triggering.

I know it’s part of the journey but it can be surprising.

kjkj77
Community Member

Hi Ggrand

Timidity is OK. Cool disregard can be quite classy.However, if your not ok about it, then your timidity is not ok.

Its all about self expression, respect for both oneself and others. Also its about people just being a decent.

If your not happy with a person or situation, you can leave and choose not to be in that situation or with that person again. As simple as that.

If you feel you have a responsibility to step up and acknowledge a truly unethical/ abusive/ or potential dangerous person. You need to criticality analysis the situation; is it really unacceptable or do do I have a low tolerance or am I simply in the wrong social setting.

If you choose to step up, go for it! Its quite impowering to verbally slay a narisistist or put Mr Arrogant in his place. Even more so if they happen to be well known people that others tip toe around.

Choose these situations wisely. Personally I've onlh ever done this a few times. And it was both spectacular and personally very satisfying. Most times I cant be bothered with such intolerable people.

Hey everyone

Hi mmMekitty....thankyou heaps for your caring thoughts/wishes for mum and I...your support is Gold!

Hi Quirky....thankyou for having the caring attitude you do...Ive been doing well...just trying to keep my mum as healthy as I can. Thankyou so much for your kind words (and assistance) regarding this thread...Nice1

Hi Grandy....Thankyou heaps for your super kind post (and taking the time to reply) You have an innate gift for providing peace and support to others. You are and always have been a Champion since you joined BB...even without the badge 🙂

Hi kjkj77....Its great to have your heartfelt input and welcome! You mentioned 'Most times I cant be bothered with such intolerable people' You are spot on as avoiding overly judgmental/toxic people is beneficial to our well being...Excellent post kjkj77 and thankyou!

Paul

Jafar the Barmecide
Community Member

It changes every day. I hate my past that I carry with me. I can’t tell you any of it, it wouldn’t get past the moderators if I tried. it’s that hateful.

I should be hated, there are people who’ll never forgive some of my actions and I don’t expect them to. I am a monster. That’s never going away either, I carry the knowledge that I am capable of acts of great cruelty and violence. A lot of that hate I cultivated, I enjoyed being feared, it gave me power, status, female attention and a reputation I had to live up to. Some men do it with money, I did it with violence, hatred and bigotry.

I like the man I want to be. Someone comfortable enough not to have to prove himself continually. A man who is loved and trusted by his family, whose primary concern is his family and their wellbeing. A man who makes an honest living doing something good for people. A man who is accepting and approachable, reliable and steadfast, honest and accountable for his mistakes and willing to change his ideas in the face of reliable evidence and be willing to admit he was wrong.

I spent 8 years hating myself completely, engaging in self destructive behaviour without any regard for the sacredness and privilege of being alive. Too busy hating myself to have any concern for the people I loved which made me hate myself even more. One day my eldest son visited me, he had just completed his last tour of Afghanistan and he needed his dad. He was shocked by my appearance and the filthy nest I was living in. The look of disgust on his face is something that haunts me today. He called me a disgrace and much else besides. Hating myself wasn’t working, I was punishing myself, but also my family.

It has been a rocky path to change, choosing a righteous path can result in the past catching up with you, challenging your commitment to that path. I can’t go back, not knowing what I now know but your past comes with you, it leaves scars. I can never forget all the violence I have committed but if I continue to hate myself and always be looking to the past, I will have no future and I owe it to my family to give myself a break or I won’t be capable of doing any good for them or anyone else.

Hell Everyone....🤗..

Thank you Paul...

Jafar....you have come a long way since your days of long ago....yes they do catch up with us...but they don’t have to define us...you have changed the direction of your life...which is awesome....I’m really proud of you for that...

Now to leave the self hate behind...that can stay behind with your past...you’re so right, self hate is a destructive place to be and the hate we have for ourselves... does unfortunately carry over to our loved ones...ie:- we don’t care about ourselves, so why should they...Why should they put their lives on hold trying to help us, when while we are hating ourselves...we throw their love, care and kindness out the window...without any acknowledgement of it...

Having some self like/love...leads us to start caring for ourselves with compassion and kindness, which also carries over to our loved ones...once they can see and hear the way your taking care of both your body and mind...they also begin to care about you...It’s contagious in its own way...like a smile once seen will just about always be returned....seeing someone that likes themselves enough to care for themselves...that also is returned...respected and acknowledged by loved ones..

Each day is a new day..given to us by the universe...to try again...to do the best we can...to live the best we can...and to give back to others the best we can....To try hard to make a difference.. a good difference...

You are doing that now Jafar...you are making a difference on these forums....Keep looking forward Dear Jafar...and try hard to keep liking the person you are today....because today...right now is the only time we really do live in..

My kind thoughts with my care..

Grandy...