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I don't know what to say

james1
Community Champion
Community Champion

Hello everyone,

I don't really know what to say.

I'm not looking for advice, I'm just looking for a place to say something/anything.

You may have read some of my other posts, but the summary of me is: 24 years old, suffered from depression a few times in my life, suicidal thoughts each time, currently dealing with a relationship breakdown two months ago and symptoms of borderline personality disorder, and the depression and anxiety's come back as a result.

I don't know what keeps tripping me up but I constantly land back at the bottom of this mountain.

I've been writing poems, here's one because I don't know what else to say. I hope it's not too dark.

 

Steady drums

He cowers among shadows in a sacred hall,
Beneath the gaze of saints gone by,
Who condemn his long unrelenting fall
Into cold black dreams where his demons fly.

Day brings back the spindly claws
Of imps that crawl from beneath his bed;
they hook like leeches into all his flaws
and drink through fangs until they are fed.

Gorging and gurgling - the demons grow bold
And spin bloody chambers around his heart
Which beats like a drum dressed in gold,
Sold to the devil who will never depart.

The chambers burst and hellhounds are loose
They rage inside and reek abuse.
The drums beat louder and echo in his head
They rupture his veins until he is bled.

He is only a man with a dying light,
A candle which burns yet flickers with fight,
“What more do you want?” he cries aloud,
“Your hope; your dreams.” The man is cowed.

And yet while the flame can still flicker,
And his lips still quiver, gasping for life,
The drums will beat no slower, no quicker,
Until he is safe from this strife.

252 Replies 252

Hey James, no worries at all

I know many people that use this small paperback (also available on Disc) as their Bible...where mastering the ability of being gentle to yourself....I bought the book in 1983....the best reference on earth to help you calmly 'accept anxiety/depression and float with it...not fight it 🙂

'Self Help for Your Nerves'

by Dr Claire Weekes (she was a psychiatrist who had GAD)

You talented person you!

I can barely draw stick people at kindy level!

Paul

james1
Community Champion
Community Champion
Thanks Paul. I'll have a look. I'm not doing much reading at the moment, but I'm putting a list of things to read when I get a bit more motivation to read.

Guest_322
Community Member

Hi James,

I hope you're holding up okay (or as okay-ish as you possibly can, given everything).

Just a little worried about you.

Dottie x

Guest_322
Community Member

Hi James,

Funny coincidence. Your profile pic changed seconds after my post came up ha, ha.

I like the bird sketch. For some reason- and it's purely down to personal taste and what grabbed me in the gut- I like you bird more than your other sketch. Don't get me wrong, the man sketch was brilliant but this one resonates with me more 😊

Dottie

Hey James,

Just checking in, wondering how you're doing, and of course I want to say I love the bird. (As if you didn't know I'd love a bird.) I agree with you about intense black in a pencil drawing giving it that little something. I'll keep this brief because I'm crazy tired from work, but haven't forgotten about you.

Blue.

wantalife
Blue Voices Member
Blue Voices Member

Hey James

Ever wondered why some of the greatest Artist's and Musicians throughout the decades have have suffered forms of mental indifference prior, be it depression or otherwise.. people can connect unlike many others can express in a way that's unique- that was an awesome share bud. Got to me, and am sure many others. That's pretty special, perhaps for a night you might just choose to smile. That's a pretty cool thing.

james1
Community Champion
Community Champion

Hello everyone,

I thought I'd post here again because I've been thinking a lot recently and there have been a lot of small changes that feel like they have accumulated into a new perspective.

BPD and depression are beasts on their own, let alone when co-existing. When you have a fragile sense of self, being told that your thoughts of suicide are wrong sounds very much like your own person is wrong. How can I split the depression and the BPD from myself? When I consider myself barely anything more than what I do and what I think, how can I value myself if others are telling me that what I do and what I think is wrong?

I need emotional validation. I need someone to say, "Yes, your thinking of suicide completely makes sense. But I'm here to help you explore the alternatives." That is something my psychologist has recently started doing a lot, and it gives me comfort to know that I am not wrong, there are simply alternatives should I choose to explore them.

I need control. Being told to do something takes the "me" out of the choice, even if it's to do it "for myself". My psychologist asked if I want to write lists of things that I'd consider doing at some point in the future. So when I do activities, it is not to do it to get better or to do it for enjoyment, but simply because I wrote it down as something I might consider doing. This feels a lot more like "me", even though I don't know what "me" is.

I need room to breathe. There is a constant battle inside which even I am sometimes oblivious to. I put up walls around the person inside me to protect him from the outside stressors, but it's soundproof both ways. He doesn't hear the outside, but I don't hear him. And when he cries out because he feels trapped in the darkness, I plunge on ahead, completely unaware until his banging on the walls breaks them down.

These are needs which are both satisfied or not satisfied externally and internally as well. One of the classic symptoms of BPD is acting in or acting out. They are cries when these needs are not met whether externally or internally. So it is hurtful to hear the classic line, "people don't change". I fully understand why it is often said; It really is a vicious cycle because our acting often causes further damage. But it is hurtful because takes away my emotional validation, it says I have no control, and it tells me that the rage will continue on forever.

Short story: I have a way forward and I will keep falling, but I hope that people do change.

James, I completely understand about being told what you do and think are wrong. It's frustrating and counterproductive. Personally I'm happy to tell people to get bent if they want to take issue with such things, but I understand when you are struggling with identity and needing validation it's profoundly unhelpful. Ultimately, even someone like me needs at least one person to understand. My other half once told me "there's no shame in wanting to end it, but for entirely selfish reasons, I'm glad you haven't". I can tell you much the same. I think what you're thinking and feeling are entirely understandable and not in themselves wrong, as they are a significant part of my existence, too. There are reasons for living as well, though, and you never know what good stuff is around the corner for you. On the selfish side of things, I'd miss you if you weren't around, and I'm quite convinced others here would, too.

I understand the need for control, and the poor bugger trapped in his protective bubble sometimes breaking out, too. I approach control differently to you, but I think I know where you're coming from with the walls breaking down. That's when you crash, yes? Been there, done that.

I'm less familiar with the nature of BPD (though learning a lot in recent times), but I can tell you that people will say what they will say, and "people don't change" is just one of those throw-away lines they don't think about. Some do, some don't, and it's as much about being aware and wanting to change, if it's needed. If you want the science on it though, I'd look up "neuroplasticity", there's a lot of information on ways in which the brain as a physical thing and the attendant mental processes can change. It's not a hopeless battle, and for what it's worth, I'm on your side to help.

Blue.

Hey James,

There isn't much by way of words that I could say to you right now. What I can say is that I understand, all of what you have said and it makes sense to me.

In my eyes (if you will indulge me), the phrase, "People don't change," is this protective thought to the people who use it. Most commonly used in reference to a person who they thought would change after years of behaving in a way that was not favourable to them, and ultimately giving up on them, saying those words when in reality, they have changed themselves, to move on from that person. Possibly also to let others know what they will "inevitably" find out.

I believe we all change, especially if there is a reason for it. Like Blue said, the brain can change and adapt. Either out of necessity or desire.

So, if you want to change, and you have your way forward like you say, I am certain that you can.

Joelle

Guest_322
Community Member

Hi James,

I think Blue wrote a very thoughtful post; there was a lot of insight and understanding in her writing.

I can empathise with the frustration of having your thoughts and feelings being written off as "wrong." A thought is a thought, you feel how you feel; it's a perspective and a perspective can't possibly be wrong because it's subjective.

I don't have BPD so my understanding of it is extremely limited. But it must be so draining to have to almost fight with yourself on a regular basis; the acting in/acting out dichotomy. Sounds exhausting and very confusing.

For what it's worth, I have hope for you and I'll second the people can change line of thinking.

Here for you (even if my understanding is sometimes very limited)

Dottie x