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Hi,
um well for so long I was able to push through things- get on with them. now im so flat I cant even find the motivation to get up. any suggestions?
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Hi All,
let the cycle go through its journey. If you struggle with this cycle and aim for unachievable goals it will aid your depression and the cycle will stay where it is.
We mentally ill people have goals and routines that are in line with those without mental restrictions. That isnt logical. Our injuries are not in view, even to us. So why would our aims in life be as if we were 100% ok?
Dont expect too much from yourself. Treat your life/lifestyle/routine/work durations as if you were unwell physically. To enable your mind to heal and allow it to cope with these things.
Mentally ill people = disabled people. Whether we like it or not.
You'll "get up" soon enough. Rest my friend.
Tony WK
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Hi WK
Thanks for the insight. I know what you mean. its just, unfortunately, I don't have a lot of time and have been resting for 3 weeks. nothing has really changed...
im trying to do really small things. be it have a movie playing and if I can jot a few notes down then so be it. I just wish it were faster.
I know what your saying in terms of treating It like a physical illness, but that's quite hard when the people around you think its just a matter of changing your mood *just like that*. no matter how much I explain. They don't understand that the depression is getting worse either. it makes it so much harder.
I will keep trying. Thanks WK.
Happy Holidays, I hope you are well.
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Tony has a good point about maintaining achievable expectations. However, I think one of the things that gets glossed over is that there is a difference between "resting" and "wallowing", where you're continuously worrying about things that have happened, will happen or -as it seems in your case- aren't happening. In the event of the latter, there's about two schools of thought you're going to come across when it comes to what you can do about it:
1. Those whose who prefer mindfulness, accepting and understanding that what they feel is transitory, that the feeling is just a sensation and will pass naturally, thereby avoiding obsession which would only prolong the issue.
2. Those who prefer a more active route, identifying issues that bother them, and taking action to rectify them. Frequently this is paired with motivational interviewing where you don't just identify problems, but also goals that you want to achieve and steps to get you there. Obviously this is a lot more varied; in some cases, this means going to therapy, abstinence (smoking/drinking etc.), volunteering, starting a new hobby, or simply going out more. Note that this is about taking the right steps, not just any steps. And as always, determining what's right and wrong is hell of a lot more difficult than it seems. Quitting a stressful job may be a good thing, but a) that's not always possible, and b) you're likely to lose the support network you have there amidst your friends and coworkers, not to mention the obvious problems that unemployment brings. That's not to say it's never the right thing to do, I'm simply using it to illustrate that this is a complex issue.
Both schools have their merits, and you'll find that both are being used in professional therapy today (e.g. mindfulness/meditation therapy and behavioural activation, respectively), with proven results. It should be mentioned that they aren't mutually exclusive, and there's no reason not to apply both since they cover each other's weaknesses. It's just that some people respond more to one than the other. It really depends on your personal situation.
There's plenty of great resources on mindfulness online if that's what you're interested in. Behavioural activation and motivational interviewing is a bit trickier, and usually means visiting a professional (therapist, career counsellor, etc.). You CAN do it on your own, but I would advise against it, since you'll want an objective third person's perspective.
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Great post Asche,
Several points took some of my thoughts and beliefs further than I had previously.
"Resting and wallowing" the differences. Yep - I see your point there.
As for a 'change is like a holiday' in terms of changing direction with things like hobbies, job and so on, I've often in these pages suggested there are 5 main areas where sufferers of depression should/could review in order to assist their condition to improve it. To review- their environment, employment, contact with toxic persons, financial stability and of course correct diagnosis and medication. But as you eluded - some of those things like employment has several ramifications that could drag you down rather than its objective with change.
Interesting.
Tony WK
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dear All, take your time, you can't physically nor mentally go at 100 miles an hour.
What I really like from the replies by Tony and Asche are these two comments 'enable your mind to heal and allow it to cope with these things' with the emphasis on the first part which I love and secondly ' there is a difference between "resting and wallowing', both are excellent comments.
We believe that by resting or taking time off work etc that nothing is happening, maybe true or maybe not, but even if you achieve or realise 1 little problem out of a list of 200 problems, then it's been worthwhile, so that's what we can work on.
It's not easy, because you have a storm or a cyclone running through your mind. Geoff.
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Hi Asche and WK
your post is great! I totally understand both perspectives. I have been trying both for while now and its taken a while but its only just started to work. I think your right about 'resting and wallowing' and I need to work harder on that
but things are looking up and I greatly appreciate all of your help
ALL
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Hi Geoff,
a storm is a great analogy for whats going on. I have been planning and achieveing little things bit by bit. im feeling alright at the moment so things are getting done
thankyou for the help
ALL
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