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Has anyone been through something similar? Remember, this is not a workers comp claim. I'm starting to feel depressed because I feel like they want to terminate me.
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Hi Mark
Please don’t worry about the multiple posts. I understand anxiety and I am here to support you. I must stress, however, I am not a lawyer—just a business owner.
You’re in a complicated situation but please know these kinds of issues in the workplace are surprisingly common. I know you’re worried about your job but your employer would be taking a real risk to dismiss you.
If I was your employer, I would not terminate your employment. This is because I think you would have a very good case for unfair dismissal and/ or adverse action. You can lodge two complaints.
Your employer is vulnerable on a few fronts. You were the victim of workplace violence and there was no proper investigation or support provided to you. You were then bullied by your manager and again no appropriate response. In addition, you were mislead about the real purpose behind the medical appointment.
On top of all this, you have become unwell because of this and suffered significant financial loss. (They will argue, however, it was your choice not to apply for WorkCover. You need to think about why you wanted to keep it internal to explain this.)
Are you sure you want to work for this employer?
If they take a risk and dismiss you, and you want your job, don’t get angry or say too much. I suggest this because one of the remedies at Fair Work, along with compensation, is to make your employer reinstate you.
You have 21 days from the date of termination to make a Fair Work claim or claims. Because it’s really complicated please get a lawyer to help you right from the start.
In the meantime, send an email explaining that you expect an outcome at the next meeting, as the excessive delay is unreasonable and causing unnecessary financial hardship and stress. Take a support person to the meeting, it always helps to have a witness.
Kind thoughts to you
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Also the reason why they have labour hire casuals is to replace a guy I worked with who was fulltime and really injured his back a year ago in the warehouse with me. He has been on work cover since.
Its hard because I feel hopeless and my partner is paying for everything at the moment so i really just want to know the outcome so I can move on.
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Hi Mark
I want you to know that you did nothing wrong raising a concern about safety.
Safety is everyone’s responsibility and nobody knows the risks and issues better than the people who do the job. Your actions may very well have reduced the potential for harm and injury in the workplace.
If they do terminate your employment it’s my understanding they must pay out the notice period. But, if this happens, I would head straight to Fair Work.
It only costs about $80 to lodge a complaint and there are plenty of “no win, no fee” lawyers to choose from. The financial compensation can be significant, up to six months pay and it’s fast. You will have an outcome in 2 to 3 months max.
Most employers will look to settle before it gets to court. I obviously don’t have all the facts or your employer’s side of the story but I would encourage you to try.
But, like I said, I would be surprised if this happens. They now have two reports that deem you fit for work and they’re not squeaky clean in all this so there is risk for them.
They probably feel lucky to have dodged a WC claim. The reason they’ve put you in for all the leave etc, is they can’t have you working if there’s any question about fitness—just in case something happened. If there was a further injury or set back and you changed your mind and went to WC they would then have a significant issue.
I don’t believe they have any obligation to offer back pay.
There is, however, no time limit for lodging a WC claim. Trouble is you’ve now recovered. I still think I would call your WC authority and ask if there’s anything they could do to help.
Please know that I am sharing my experience in good faith but I am not an “expert” or lawyer. You can call Fair Work and WC on Monday and get some expert advice.
I’d really be curious to know how you go but no pressure. Post any time.
Kind thoughts to you
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Hi again
Just been thinking about the financial side of all this. Has your employer picked up all of your medical costs?
They can do this for you without you lodging a WC claim up to a certain limit. In Vic it’s just under $1,000.
King thoughts to you
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I 100% understand you are offering advice from an employers point of view and it is good to have someone who is an employer give scenarios of what could be happening, I appreciate this. I was told by fw that there isn't much I can do until I find out what the outcome is. My issue is since I have handed in my clearance it will be nearly 3 weeks next week and the way it was worded in HRs response is like they won't even have an outcome for our meeting next week. It was called a "catch up". It was mentioned to me by fw that if they do find me fit that they may have to back pay me from the date I was cleared. Fw offer limited advice.
They have not covered any medical costs besides sending me to their doctor. I think at this stage i will send them my recent medical certificate along with a note that i expect an outcome. Im just trying to think of ways to word it without sounding overly demanding. I also want to mention that my DR advised that their doctors report is incomplete because he never touched base with my Doctor. Anxiety can sometimes make you over explain so I'm not sure if I should say it or not.
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If I have been cleared to work since Feb 5th and they are taking longer to investigate conflicting reports, should they be paying me since Feb 5th now the hold up is on their end? Or does it still count as sick leave with out pay?
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Hi Mark
Quick questions before I respond properly. Did you make an application (eg fill out a form) to go on leave without pay? Did you provide an end date for the conclusion of the leave without pay period? If there’s no official paperwork how did you get on leave without pay?
Kind thoughts to you
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