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    <title>topic Anger from miscarriage in Grief and loss</title>
    <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/anger-from-miscarriage/m-p/454738#M3440</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;A warm welcome to you Moon and back&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My heart goes out to you as you painfully deal with anger and grief.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Miscarriage can definitely be a hard and lonely challenge to work through. No matter how many people offer emotional support, it can still feel incredibly lonely. Between my 1st and 2nd child, I experienced 2 first trimester miscarriages as well as an ectopic pregnancy (which led to the removal of that tube). I share this with you for 2 reasons, 1) to offer support through some understanding and 2) to offer a new perception in the way of &lt;EM&gt;self&lt;/EM&gt;-understanding. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I believe one of the greatest challenges when it comes to miscarriage, especially 1st time miscarriage, involves a &lt;EM&gt;referencing &lt;/EM&gt;aspect. What I mean is how does our brain reference an event that it has no mental program for? I imagine you're in the same boat I was, about 15 years ago. No one had ever educated me about the mental and physical challenges of miscarriage. I was on my own in regard to working it out. The danger with this is - when there's nothing to reference, we tend to reference or &lt;STRONG&gt;identify with&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;EM&gt;what we believe&lt;/EM&gt;. What we identify with then threatens to become our identity. We can become &lt;EM&gt;a different person&lt;/EM&gt;. I'll give you an example, based on what you've shared:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;OL&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; someone who had a miscarriage&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; 40 years old&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; angry and down&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; someone who is not intimate&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; further away from having another child&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; tired all the time&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; someone who wants a 2nd child&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;These points reference what is lacking. &lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; lacking a 2nd child, happiness, intimacy, peace, time, energy and fulfillment. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;For me, I certainly wasn't lacking pregnancy tests. This became an absolute obsession with me. My identity partly became 'I am someone who &lt;EM&gt;must &lt;/EM&gt;get pregnant and have another baby'. The referencing aspect didn't stop there. Intimacy was initially associated with grief, with my husband lovingly hugging me as I sobbed, interrupting what was once enjoyable. With the loss of a fallopian tube, '&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; mentally and physically '&lt;EM&gt;broken&lt;/EM&gt;'' became my mantra.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It wasn't until I began putting in place &lt;EM&gt;new &lt;/EM&gt;mental programs that things began to change. Whether we take to education through books (as I did) or help from mental health professionals, either way a new and productive identity begins to form (for us to reference).&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;A lost sense of self is one of the hardest things to tackle in grief. Guidance is key in the way of recovery. '&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; someone who will &lt;EM&gt;manage &lt;/EM&gt;through help' is an incredibly positive identity.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Take care&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2019 22:25:59 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>therising</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-07-01T22:25:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Anger from miscarriage</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/anger-from-miscarriage/m-p/454736#M3438</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi everyone,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I had a miscarriage 12 months ago - I’m 40 years old. It’s turned me into a completely different person! I’m always angry, so angry. It’s turned me off any kind of intimacy with my husband  and I just feel down and angry all the time. As the months go on I get more angry as I realize i am further away from having another child - time is not on my side plus I’m tired all the time. &lt;SPAN style="font-size: inherit; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"&gt; My daughter is 3 but I really wanted a second child.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"&gt;I’ve been grappling with the idea that perhaps a bit of depression is creeping in......... should I go and see a GP?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2019 11:50:37 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Moon and back</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-07-01T11:50:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Anger from miscarriage</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/anger-from-miscarriage/m-p/454737#M3439</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;HI Moon and welcome to the forums&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I think going to the GP and discussing your anger and other emotions associated with your miscarriage is a really good idea.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If you had a sore throat for a few days you'd see the doctor. It maybe nothing, just a cold, or it could be an infection that needs medical intervention like antibiotics. Was it a good thing to get check out. Yes? Doctors view discussing anything related to your feelings and other mental health (remember everyone has mental health, not everyone has a mental illness) issues you want to discuss. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I know also trying to have a baby can make anyone stressed and even a feeling of being overwhelmed. I think it would be a good idea to talk to your GP about these feelings and anger regarding you past miscarriage and wanting to have another. &lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:37:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>MsPurple</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-07-01T12:37:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Anger from miscarriage</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/anger-from-miscarriage/m-p/454738#M3440</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;A warm welcome to you Moon and back&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My heart goes out to you as you painfully deal with anger and grief.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Miscarriage can definitely be a hard and lonely challenge to work through. No matter how many people offer emotional support, it can still feel incredibly lonely. Between my 1st and 2nd child, I experienced 2 first trimester miscarriages as well as an ectopic pregnancy (which led to the removal of that tube). I share this with you for 2 reasons, 1) to offer support through some understanding and 2) to offer a new perception in the way of &lt;EM&gt;self&lt;/EM&gt;-understanding. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I believe one of the greatest challenges when it comes to miscarriage, especially 1st time miscarriage, involves a &lt;EM&gt;referencing &lt;/EM&gt;aspect. What I mean is how does our brain reference an event that it has no mental program for? I imagine you're in the same boat I was, about 15 years ago. No one had ever educated me about the mental and physical challenges of miscarriage. I was on my own in regard to working it out. The danger with this is - when there's nothing to reference, we tend to reference or &lt;STRONG&gt;identify with&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;EM&gt;what we believe&lt;/EM&gt;. What we identify with then threatens to become our identity. We can become &lt;EM&gt;a different person&lt;/EM&gt;. I'll give you an example, based on what you've shared:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;OL&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; someone who had a miscarriage&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; 40 years old&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; angry and down&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; someone who is not intimate&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; further away from having another child&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; tired all the time&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; someone who wants a 2nd child&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;These points reference what is lacking. &lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; lacking a 2nd child, happiness, intimacy, peace, time, energy and fulfillment. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;For me, I certainly wasn't lacking pregnancy tests. This became an absolute obsession with me. My identity partly became 'I am someone who &lt;EM&gt;must &lt;/EM&gt;get pregnant and have another baby'. The referencing aspect didn't stop there. Intimacy was initially associated with grief, with my husband lovingly hugging me as I sobbed, interrupting what was once enjoyable. With the loss of a fallopian tube, '&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; mentally and physically '&lt;EM&gt;broken&lt;/EM&gt;'' became my mantra.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It wasn't until I began putting in place &lt;EM&gt;new &lt;/EM&gt;mental programs that things began to change. Whether we take to education through books (as I did) or help from mental health professionals, either way a new and productive identity begins to form (for us to reference).&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;A lost sense of self is one of the hardest things to tackle in grief. Guidance is key in the way of recovery. '&lt;STRONG&gt;I am&lt;/STRONG&gt; someone who will &lt;EM&gt;manage &lt;/EM&gt;through help' is an incredibly positive identity.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Take care&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2019 22:25:59 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/anger-from-miscarriage/m-p/454738#M3440</guid>
      <dc:creator>therising</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-07-01T22:25:59Z</dc:date>
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