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    <title>topic Still struggling in Grief and loss</title>
    <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/still-struggling/m-p/154516#M1849</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Neil, I do have some support even from her aunties and uncles. They are horrified on how Ive been treated through this whole ordeal.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;We initially did marriage counselling but it was a farce cause she was not honest with the counsellor cause at the time she was having an affair.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Im really annoyed the kids were involved with the first guy who she got engaged to just over two weeks after she got me to leave, but maintains she was a broken person and I broke her - try to figure that one out.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I do have the power to forgive her as Im a christian, but I will need a lot of grace to do it.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 00:23:09 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>wanted_a_simple_life</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2015-10-14T00:23:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Still struggling</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/still-struggling/m-p/154512#M1845</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;It's been 8 months since my wife has left me and took the kids and moved away.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It still doesnt make sense that she has done this as I treated her really well. Yes we had our ups and downs like every marraige, but to say I ruined her and then proceed to have an affair was horrible.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The problem is I would forgive her and take her back to right the wrongs.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Ive being doing OK and starting to see other people. I just cant proceed any further than friends with these women as when I compare them to my wife, I find I still love her.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Ive been freaking out lately knowing Ive probably lost her for good and wont see my children day to day.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I want to talk to her to win her back.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I thought after 8 months I would be getting better, but Im not.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Is this normal??&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2015 23:03:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/still-struggling/m-p/154512#M1845</guid>
      <dc:creator>wanted_a_simple_life</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-10-11T23:03:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Still struggling</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/still-struggling/m-p/154513#M1846</link>
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;Hi there Simple Life&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;Welcome to B.B. and thank you for providing your post.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;I hope you don’t mind if I ask you some questions in my response, but it might help so we can find out a little more and so we might be in a more informed position to help, if we can.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;You’ve mentioned that it’s been 8 months – your wife has the children and has moved away.&amp;nbsp; Is that moving away from your current location?&amp;nbsp; Ie:&amp;nbsp; has she moved geographically and therefore, making any possible meeting up with her no likelihood?&amp;nbsp; Or is she still in the same town/city, etc?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;During that time have you had any or no contact with her?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Were there rules put in place?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Ie:&amp;nbsp; I’m moving out and taking the kids – and don’t contact me, I’ll contact you?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Or did she just move?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; I guess, when she moved, did you get a feel that this was only a temporary arrangement or did you feel that “oh boy, this is it – this is final!”&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;The other side of the coin to this, is that they are also YOUR children, and I’m not expert on this, but I would suggest that you should have rights where you’re able to see them.&amp;nbsp; But I’m sure there’ll be others who’ll come along who can better advise you about this.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;Would love to hear back from you.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2015 23:47:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/still-struggling/m-p/154513#M1846</guid>
      <dc:creator>Neil_1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-10-11T23:47:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Still struggling</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/still-struggling/m-p/154514#M1847</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thanks Neil&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;She has moved 1 hour away, I do get to see the kids every second weekend.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;We talk a bit about the kids, but has completly shut down any conversation when it comes to our marriage.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;She says she is hurt, but had an affair while we were married and has another boyfriend again now.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My concern the kids are dragged through her choices.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I havent got any formal arrangements in place cause I dont want to divorce and go down that path, I would rather work things out.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2015 02:10:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/still-struggling/m-p/154514#M1847</guid>
      <dc:creator>wanted_a_simple_life</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-10-12T02:10:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Still struggling</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/grief-and-loss/still-struggling/m-p/154515#M1848</link>
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;Hi there WASL&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;Thanx for your kind response back.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;That “is” good news that you’re at least getting to see your kids – at this stage every second weekend.&amp;nbsp; So there is some communication there, which is better than a total shut-out.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;She had an affair in your marriage, and yet she says she’s hurt – I don’t understand that.&amp;nbsp; Also, she has the affair and then she’s the one who takes off with the kids.&amp;nbsp; Again, I may be missing something here, but it doesn’t sound right and it sure doesn’t sound fair to you either.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;When relationships become rocky and there’s children involved, this is always an awkward issue – how to do best for the children, so they don’t become too messed up by things.&amp;nbsp; Very tricky situation.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;I’m not wanting to put my foot in too much here, but will just end with:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; that’s a massive call on your behalf that you just want to work things out.&amp;nbsp; You’re a better man than I would be in these circumstances:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; ie:&amp;nbsp; an affair, left and took the kids and now has another boyfriend.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; But if you can put all that to the side and still wish to repair things, then I say all power to you.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;Have you per chance suggested any counselling for the both of you – like relationship counselling?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Do you think she’d be at all interested in that?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;One last thing:&amp;nbsp; I do hope you’ve got some of your own support mechanisms in place?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Other friends or even family members, who you can go to and lean on, and unload?&amp;nbsp; As this current time must be so incredibly difficult for you.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;I do hope if you’re able to, that you can post again.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Book Antiqua','serif'; font-size: 16px;"&gt;Kind regards&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:48:50 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Neil_1</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-10-12T22:48:50Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Still struggling</title>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Neil, I do have some support even from her aunties and uncles. They are horrified on how Ive been treated through this whole ordeal.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;We initially did marriage counselling but it was a farce cause she was not honest with the counsellor cause at the time she was having an affair.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Im really annoyed the kids were involved with the first guy who she got engaged to just over two weeks after she got me to leave, but maintains she was a broken person and I broke her - try to figure that one out.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I do have the power to forgive her as Im a christian, but I will need a lot of grace to do it.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 00:23:09 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>wanted_a_simple_life</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-10-14T00:23:09Z</dc:date>
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