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    <title>topic My bipolar wife wants a divorce in Relationship and family issues</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi LH, welcome &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;A huge question that often cant be answered is "is it our mental illness or our personality"?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Those blurred lines can bring confusion. IMO most relationship break ups involving one person with bipolar are normal breakups with the added annoyan c e factor of bipolar.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Eg. My last partner (I'm bipolar) when we argued and I left home in a rage, would ring my psych, psych rings me tells me to take more meds. My problem was, my partner was an alcoholic. But there was no suggestion of her reducing her consumption or seeking help.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So, I'd be cautious of blaming her bipolar on your possible split. Some behaviors like moods, anxiety, etc could be extreme and associated with the illness but it would be unfair to say the illness was caused by bipolar. We dont know.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;What I also believe is that you are feeling guilty for saying the "wrong thing" which is demoralizing. This shows there is, for some reason, lack of respect for you and damage between you both has evolved. This needs professional counseling to hopefully bring out inner live to repair it.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Here are a few threads you can google (just read the first post in each)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Topic: who cares for the carer?- beyondblue &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Topic: relationship strife? The peace pipe- beyondblue &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Topic: the best praise you'll ever get- beyondblue &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Topic: the balance of your life- beyondblue &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Tony WK &lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:28:43 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>white knight</dc:creator>
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      <description>I’ve been married for almost 10 years now and my wife who suffers from bipolar disorder is on the verge of leaving me. Despite having had all that time to research and educate myself on all things bipolar, I stupidly enough cruised along thinking everything would be fine, that we’d somehow manage to work through her ups and downs because we were madly in love. But of course times change, children come along, work stresses mount up and more importantly, my inability to step up when times got tough have led us to where we are now. Despite her giving me multiple opportunities to make amends and me saying all the right things, about how things will change, I tend to be good for short periods then slip into old cruise control habits. And now she’s had enough, we’re on the brink of separating and the reality is finally starting to sink in that I might be in the verge of losing my best friend and the one woman I’ve ever truly loved. She is barely acknowledging my existence at the moment and I don’t know what to do/how to make things right. I’m willing to do whatever it takes to save our marriage, but I think I may have used up all my chances (who could blame her really after the multiple times I’ve told her I’ll change?!) Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:49:37 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi LH, welcome &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;A huge question that often cant be answered is "is it our mental illness or our personality"?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Those blurred lines can bring confusion. IMO most relationship break ups involving one person with bipolar are normal breakups with the added annoyan c e factor of bipolar.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Eg. My last partner (I'm bipolar) when we argued and I left home in a rage, would ring my psych, psych rings me tells me to take more meds. My problem was, my partner was an alcoholic. But there was no suggestion of her reducing her consumption or seeking help.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So, I'd be cautious of blaming her bipolar on your possible split. Some behaviors like moods, anxiety, etc could be extreme and associated with the illness but it would be unfair to say the illness was caused by bipolar. We dont know.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;What I also believe is that you are feeling guilty for saying the "wrong thing" which is demoralizing. This shows there is, for some reason, lack of respect for you and damage between you both has evolved. This needs professional counseling to hopefully bring out inner live to repair it.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Here are a few threads you can google (just read the first post in each)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Topic: who cares for the carer?- beyondblue &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Topic: relationship strife? The peace pipe- beyondblue &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Topic: the best praise you'll ever get- beyondblue &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Topic: the balance of your life- beyondblue &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Tony WK &lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:28:43 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello Lost Husband and welcome. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I'm glad you've reached out for support. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I had to think for a while before being able to reply (sorry for the wait) because your situation is difficult. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;At least you have realised before she has left, if she's still holding on maybe there is a chance. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My feeling is that whatever you say or do... It needs to be genuine. Sit down and think it through. Be brutally honest with yourself. There is no point promising changes if they aren't realistic and you don't mean it. She wilk see right through your promises. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Personally I would start with a list (because that's my thing I suppose). Three headings. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;1. What does she need me to do? &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;2. Is it realistic/achievable?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; 3. What action do I need to take? &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Then sit your wife down and show her. Ask her to add to it. To make changes. And to set time frames. What needs to change immediately so she will give you time an&lt;SPAN style="font-size: inherit;"&gt;d what can wait for now? For example if she has been asking you to come to marriage counselling for years now is the time to commit to it and book an appointment. However if you had an issue with alcohol for example that needs time. Attending a AA meeting is a good way to show you mean what you say though.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;And most importantly... If she is your best friend and you love her make sure she knows it. Not just a please stay because I love you. Tell her the truth. Why do you love her? What makes her irreplaceable to you? &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I hope you get another chance. Whichever outcome we are here for you and I hope you can come back and talk more. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Nat&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:35:14 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Lost husband,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I'm sorry to hear about your relationship stress, I really hope you will be able to get through this together &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":disappointed_face:"&gt;😞&lt;/span&gt; I think Nat's excellent advice really nailed it,  especially the part  about writing down an action plan, and starting to do some of those things immediately. You'll find that it will build your confidence up too, as you start ticking things off the list. I also agree with Nats suggestion to show your wife the list or write it together. Actions will speak much louder than words at this point, I feel.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;To give you a little credit, its very likely that your calm personality may be exactly what your wife needs and loves as a balance for her moods. Please don't feel that in order to be loved, you need to be a stressed out super driven guy. Whatever you decide to change, do it out of fairness to your relationship,  and to build your self confidence. Hold onto being you; being a calm relaxed person is a wonderful personality trait , and a valuable one to people who are very volatile IMO.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: inherit;"&gt;Wishing you two the best!&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:28:25 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>Thankyou all for your wonderful words of advice. My wife is currently going through a manic phase, might even be a mixed episode as she can be all over the place, up one minute, down the next, she was hearing voices the other week telling her to cut her hair (which she did)...she doesn’t seem to be blowing our finances which happened last time she was manic, so that’s at least a positive and her gp has adjusted her meds so she’s not up till all hours of the night with racing thoughts...the irritability of the mania is what has me most concerned at the moment, she gets cranky at the drop of a hat and I’m wondering if anyone has any suggestions about how best to try and communicate with her (or if staying silent is the best)...surely not saying anything and feeling like I’m walking round on eggshells all the time isn’t helpful though...I just feel like whatever I do I can’t win, if I approach her about it I worry it will just start a fight...any tips/suggestions?</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2018 04:55:10 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Lost_husband</dc:creator>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi again LH &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:"&gt;😊&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I'm glad you came back to talk more. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Far out I see my symptoms mirrored in &lt;SPAN style="font-size: inherit;"&gt;your wife's behaviour. I wonder if my husband is as lost dealing with my mood swings and erratic behaviour as you feel? &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;What works for us...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;Leaving me alone to wait out the racing thoughts. No point in reminding me our son will wake me at dawn and I'll be exhausted. Just makes me worry more. Leave me be. &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;Giving me space to do things I enjoy. If I am irritable giving me quiet helps. Hubby knows on days like those to just let me run or read and to go do his own thing. Better yet take the kids with him.&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;On that note... Having his own interests and routines that don't need me. I get very irritable if we do a family outings, put the kids to bed, have time for intimacy and he wants my company all day. I need time out.&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;I have routines that keep me stable. When he makes plans to keep me busy I might be ok for one day even two but then it goes downhill. I know my body. If I need to write here to vent or run or talk to a friend... Then I need the space to do it. &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;Ignore my mood. When hubby ignores my slump and just goes on with his day I'll pull myself up when I can. But when he gets angry I feel like running away. Because I can't just switch it off to make him happy. &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;Support things that help me help myself. Sometimes I will write on the forums and hubby says I'm "messing about on my phone". It makes me feel crap and angry and resentful. This helps me. So belittling helpful things for me says to me what I do is worthless. I'm worthless. &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;Treat me as an adult and an equal. When I'm moody hubby has this habit of lecturing me or just taking over and telling me what to do. It feels crap. Yes ok your wife randomly cut her hair off (hmm curiously I did that too arrgh) but that doesn't make her irrational or need to be babied in case she does something out there again. &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;Hubby reminds me I am safe. Reassures me he's not going anywhere. But also sets his limits and boundaries clearly. For example told me if I self harm he is taking the kids and leaving. I agree with this. He says it once and then leaves it up to me. Because I am capable of keeping myself safe and protecting myself from losing what I love most of all. &lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Maybe this just seems like waffle but hopefully somewhere in there you find a point of view that helps. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Nat&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:45:37 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Lost husband,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I have just found this post and read it.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Tony, Nat and bindi have given you very helpful and detailed advice and suggestions.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I am not sure what I can add, but I have been living with a diagnosis of bipolar for over 40 years and am on my third partner. That is meant to show experience and not to worry you.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I am not sure whether your wife is seeing a doctor or has tried medication.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;When I was manic I was out of control with over spending the least of my behaviours.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;To be honest when I was really impossible to talk to when manic , irritable or depressed and because I was so far out of reality nothing anyone said would make sense or I would not remember.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You seem like a really caring husband and you need to look after yourself.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;When I was not up or down, that was the time, to talk and reason with me and make plans.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It is exhausting having bipolar and is exhausting  living with someone wth bipolar.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Nat has written lots of suggestions that work for her and hopefully some or Alan will work for you.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;All I know is that everyone who has bipolar reacts differently in a different way.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;When I was manic with my first husband , I threatened to leave him and did eventually for 6 months only to come crashing don eventually and get sick and run back to him. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I am not being very helpful but I feel when one is not thinking rationally it is hard to help that person unless you have a plan that was agreed on in the calm times.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Have you ever spoken to a counsellor or to their people in a similar situation.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thanks for sharing your story, I am sure you will help others who are reading this.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Quirky&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:27:22 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hey Nat,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thankyou so much for taking the time to respond again, it’s pretty amazing when you’ve seemingly got enough on your plate yet you’re willing to give of your time for others.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Bit of an update for you, so the wife and I had a really good talk Friday night, stayed up till like 2.30 which is pretty big for us (we’ll not so much her when she has racing thoughts, but I’m normally out like a light while she’s still up). She actually instigated the chat (I’m terrible at starting these conversations, really something I need to work on, particularly when she bottles up all her thoughts - she’s undoubtedly right that I really need to work in my avoidance of issues). Anyways, I’d been planning on clearing the house of our 4 kids for the weekend at the recommendation of her gp, just to give her some total space, plus she’s in the process of changing meds so she’ll be headachey all weekend) and she told me I needed to take all the bank cards, just to leave her a bit of cash and to take the car keys as she’s been having thoughts of running away by herself. She’s even gone as far to type up a list of all the things she’ll need, bit mind blowing when I saw the list, the reality of it and all. But on the positive side at least she found it in herself to tell me which can only be a good thing right?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Anyways, so a bit later in the night she says can we gave a talk about some stuff without me getting offended (I tend to have a bit of a thin skin when it comes to criticism), And while everything’s finally started to get to me of late and I’ve been getting a bit down and demoralised (it kind of sucks, a lot, when your wife and best friend gets cranky at you for every little thing you do, right or wrong) I knew I needed to man up and cop my serve, because if it means she’s talking to me about her feelings that’s great and can only serve to get the ball rolling. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: inherit; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"&gt;Seeing as I’m running out of words, for now I’ll limit this to one thing she spoke about, how we’d had a conversation (when she was in a better place about 18 months ago) and I said I didn’t like the way she could be snippy at me at times, kind of like the way her mother belittled her father) and she’d realised she did do that and worked on it for a couple of months and she made plans for a camping trip for us to get away from everyone, things went awry on the way there and I got the shits, didn’t enjoy the weekend and after going to all this effort she felt like why bother...there’s more to it but yeah&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:51:18 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Losthusband,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I am glad you had a long talk to your wife and managed to get some things sorted out.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;AS you realise things will take a wile to change but you are taking small steps opening up and being honest with each other. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;She seems to be in control if she asks to have the credit cards taken away, I would hever have had the insight to do that.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It sounds like you discussed many issues from the past. How I'd you feel about that?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Are you pleasedwith the talk with your wife or are you a bit frustrated about some of the discussions.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It sounds as if the camping weekend has some unresolved issues for her. Did it make sense how she felt or were you surprised.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thanks again for updating us and when you want to post again.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Quirky&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 13:15:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi LH (and hi Quirky!),&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Ooh LH you're in luck... Quirky will know the name of the good bipolar thread! I've been trying to remember it thinking maybe reading it will help you figure out some of your wife's patterns? Help me out Quirky?? &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:"&gt;😊&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Well that is great news about your big conversation! So hard to begin but so very worthwhile! Have you thought about seeing if your wife is willing to do a weekly chat? Put the kids to bed and have a cuppa and a talk for half an hour or so (always helps if you plan something nice to do afterwards together). It gets you into the routine of talking about issues as they come up. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I figured maybe that would help with avoiding hashing out issues from 18months ago (necessary but no wonder you were up till 230 if all the issues have been bottled up). &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It must have been a shock seeing that she planned to leave but please keep in mind it doesn't have to mean she doesnt love you and the kids.... Just that she is so beyond overwhelmed and possibly doesn't know where to start to address issues (or whether you are willing to listen). I could be wrong but that's my reasoning when I want to run. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; Quirky made a very good point about you needing to care for yourself. When we are unwell one of the things the doctors and psychs seem to all say is it is ok to be selfish. What they really mean to a mum like your wife (four kids! she is a super mum!) is that it is not right that you put your needs last. Which we do tend to do.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; Kids needs, hubby's needs... Nothing left for me. So we try to change this because we need to. But the downside to making our needs an equal priority means everyone else has to give a little. Kids. Partner. Friends. Work. We need to take back a bit of our time and effort to care for ourselves. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;What that means for you... You don't need to "man up" you're already a man. It is simply a matter of finding little things that give her a little more time daily and regularly so she has a time and energy to care for herself. This can be very small things. For example...&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;LI&gt;Four kids means major chores. Give each child one task they need to do to help mum daily. &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;Care for yourself. You sound run down. Be proactive. See your GP. Take a sick day. Exercise.&lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;Intimacy! Enough said. &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;If it is financially possible look at a cleaner or gardener or anything that makes life easier for both of you. &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI&gt;See if other family members are willing to take the kids to their afterschool activities&lt;/LI&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Take care of yourself please. &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:"&gt;😊&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;LH, hello again,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The thread is This Bipolar life, and people drop in and out. It is friendly and you can ask questions or just have a chat.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Nat glad I have some uses!!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I agree with Nat, 4 children is a lot of work.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Take care&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Quirky &lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hey Quirky,&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;Thanks for taking the time to write, don’t worry, every word is greatly appreciated even if it’s just different insights into how bipolar can manifest itself differently from one person to the next. And it’s just nice to have a sounding board if you will in people like you and Nat as there’s only so much you can take from reading books on the subject, I seem to get more from personal insights like both of yours! And apologies, I don’t mean to eat into your undoubted precious time seeing as I don’t actually suffer from depression myself, like I said I’m just finding this way more helpful than some of the books I’ve read and the psychologist I’ve spoken to.&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;So like I just said, I have spoken to a psychologist through work which I didn’t really find helpful, although it was the first one I’ve ever been to so maybe my inability to open up or articulate my concerns as openly as I seem to be able to on here were part of the problem. Just in that topic, not sure if this is a stupid question, but I spoke to a male psychologist 2 times and was wondering whether I would get more out of talking to a female psychologist ir whether it shouldn’t really matter either way?&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;She’s been on a number of medications for years now. I think I read somewhere on here that you’re not supposed to discuss specific types of medications taken, suffice to say she takes a handful each morning and night (some have changed over the years, and she’s currently in the process of switching one type at the moment and is suffering terrible headaches in the process poor thing!) Embarrassingly enough if pressed, I couldn’t have told you exactly what she was taking every morning and night which is a sad indictment of my commitment to her and her illness. I’m currently in control of her medications.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;Almost out of words again, but as for our chat, even though some of the stuff hurt, it was great in an eye opening way as it was just nice to hear her talk to me again and hit me with some home truths rather than sitting in awkward silence like we have most nights of late, both of us with a million thoughts running through our minds but both to scared to share any of them&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello again Nat,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Firstly, thanks for the heads up on that bipolar thread (and thanks quirky for the name of it), will definitely check it out.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The weekly chats are a great idea, we’ve tended to just do our own thing for a while now, I’ll sit inside watching my sports and politics shows while she’s outside on the balcony listening to podcasts and wheni do eventually wander out there we just sit in awkward silence most of the time. But she even said the other night she’d like to try and play more board games (like we used to), even if our friendly rivalry banter is only about the game, it’s got to be better than sitting in silence watching YouTube videos, wondering what the hell is going through the other persons mind.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The running away plan certainly came as a shock, just physically reading the list she’d compiled really hit me hard. And I know she’s said before that when she’s thought of killing herself that her reason is that we’d all be better off without her (and her issues) around. And i tell myself it’s just the bipolar talking, but sometimes you can’t help but wonder how much of it is actually the bipolar and how much is actually coming from her.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I think you and Quirky nailed it in how exhausting it can be. I mean I fully realise my wife is going through a hell of a lot worse than me wrestling with her demons, but I do find it overwhelming too, balancing seemingly being forever snowed under at work, coming home to cleaning, washing, the kids, constantly wondering what’s going through my wife’s head. Let alone the fact that we have to move out of our rental house in mid May (we’re kind of putting thoughts of what we’re going to do/where we’re going to go until after she’s starting to feel a bit better)...fun times ahead!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Her family is pretty helpful I have to admit. I took our 3 girls down to my wife’s great grandparents on Saturday night to give her some total alone time and her sisters are both more than happy to put their hands up to have our kids at the drop of a hat, which is a relief. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Funny you mention intimacy, it’s amazing how much you take it for granted. At the moment most of the time it’s a kiss on the cheek as I leave for work or she’s going to bed,   but everything is so much more awkward and forced than when she’s her usual self. I just miss her touch, holding hands when fall asleep, the simple things like that. Even her laugh. Oh well, i just keep telling myself they’ll all be back soon enough&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thanks for listening,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;LH&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:04:55 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Haha Quirky,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;glad I have some uses!!&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Far out you need to give yourself way more credit. There is a very good reason you're a cc my friend &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:"&gt;😊&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Sorry to have hijacked your thread LH. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;How are you going? Has having the talk helped your wife to feel able to stay and work on your marriage? I hope so. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Nat&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hey guys,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;But of an update and a bit of a downer unfortunately. The wife text me at work this morning and said she was going away for a while and just messaging me so I could make arrangements for the kids and school. So I rushed home and st least got  there before she left but I may as well not have as she was rather fristy and there was no way of talking her out of going. At least I know where she’s going (she’s booked a campsite at one of our favourite spots to go with the kids) and that she said she’ll be back Friday for a doctors appointment, so I can only hope that she’s just going to clear her head. As I think I mentioned in a previous post, we’ve been told we need to move out of our current rental house in early may, so that on top of the shitty financial state we’re in as well as the mixed episode she’s going through have made for a toxic mix. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The fact I’ve always left the financial running of the house up to her has come back to bite me in the bum as we were a week behind in rent, not to mention owing $400 for our internet, which the wife had neglected to pay obviously due to her current mental state. I’m looking into ways to get us out of the financial hole but I fear at this stage our relationship is done and dusted either way as she said she wants me to find somewhere else to live, not sure if she means as soon as she returns or when our lease ends up in may. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I realise a lot of the anger she directs towards me is the bipolar as we can still have good days, but I think it’s less and less the bipolar talking and more the fact that I’ve been a useless husband, emotionally and helping on the financial front. I just don’t know what to say to her, I’m trying to read up as much as I can for bipolar and I’m finally gaining a much greater appreciation and understanding of what she’s going through, but I still can’t get past the anger that’s obviously built up inside her over the years of me doing nothing. One of the things she said this morning was “You can’t talk to me when I’m well, how do you expect to know what to say when I’m in crisis mode”&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Anyways i think I’m done talking for now, need to go do some stuff to keep busy and keep my mind off things&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Lh&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;thanks for your update but sorry it is not good news for. Maybe this time away will clear the air for both of you.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Relationships are tricky at the best of times but throw in bipolar and children it can be confusing.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I think when she said  to you about not coping when she is well so how will you cope in a crisis, is something I have wondered too. For me it is not anger it is frustration and sometimes people feel the know about bipolar as they have read something but in reality coping with someone with a full blow episode takes trust, and support and experience and determination and unconditional love.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I think you are way too hard on yourself but she needs to know you are there for the bad times and the good times. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Let us know how the next few days go.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You are taking charge and doing your best, dont think about the past at the moment just the present.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Quirky xx&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hey Quirky,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thanks again for your kind words, they really do mean a lot. I can understand what you mean about the difference between reading up/educating myself in bipolar and actually putting it into practice. That’s probably what I’m finding the hardest, as like I’ve said previously, I’m not the best communicator at times and that’s what my wife needs, someone to talk to rather than just being stuck in her own mind, having the same conversations with herself. Actually, I think the hardest thing is breaking through the anger barrier. She’s built up all this anger and resentment towards me (and fair enough) but because of that I’m finding it harder and harder to approach her and talk things through with her because I feel like she’s going to snap my head off whatever I say (logical or not). I feel utterly demoralised at times from all the put downs and snappy comments that I just find myself sitting on my feelings and that just exacerbates the problem because she thinks I don’t want to talk to her. But like I said I do, I’m reading a book at the moment by a female psychologist who has bipolar and she said her husband tells her she’s impossible to talk to when she’s manic, which is how I feel at times.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The more I read, the more it seems like passive conversation is the way to approach things, not to get angry, frustrated and take it out on your partner. But I want to let it all out, I want to be brutally honest with her and tell her how worthless she makes me feel at times, how I’m so scared at times of saying anything for fear she’ll leave me, that if we can just ride this rough patch out, see a counsellor and do whatever it takes to save 10 years of marriage that I’ll do it. I want her to know that I’m in 100% (unlike the past). I’ve actually been thinking about typing this all up and giving it to her when she gets back, but then with the mood she’s in at the moment  she’ll just throw it back in my face and say I’ve heard it all before or words mean nothing. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Anyways I’m rambling now, thanks again for listening and providing some invaluable insights. Hope things are going well with you by the way, I feel so selfish at times seemingly being like woe is me all the time when you’ve undoubtedly got stuff on your own plate, so again thank you so much &lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>A lot of the times it is the bipolar and not the personality.</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Lost husband&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I feel for you both so deeply as you deal with emotions that leave you both feeling drained and like life is so out of control.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I believe that we not only raise children but &lt;EM&gt;all &lt;/EM&gt;people. We have the power to raise them to a level of feeling joy, fun, love and so on. On the flip side, sometimes it's also important to lower people, for good reason. Some may call this 'bringing people back down to earth'.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Some folk are &lt;EM&gt;incredibly &lt;/EM&gt;sensitive: For periods they'll have incredible energy and then it won't take much to suddenly have them begin 'draining'. It could take a significant challenge they're facing, some harsh words that bring them down on top of a diet that messes with their energy levels, poor sleep habits and so on. Dealing with the highs can be draining. Staying on such a high uses up &lt;EM&gt;a lot&lt;/EM&gt; of energy. Wondering if you've ever witnessed your wife suddenly 'power down' but couldn't put your finger on why exactly. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Imagine being so incredibly down that you just don't want to live. It's a torturous and debilitating low. Then suddenly life feels restored as energy levels shoot up. It feels like Christmas morning where life is filled with incredible gifts to unwrap. For some, they'll want to go out and suddenly buy a car, a new wardrobe of clothes, an expensive holiday they put on credit card and so on. Then suddenly someone will criticise them for being so irresponsible, so stupid, so selfish and then down they start to go back into that low. Even worse, once that exciting high that comes with child nature of fun and adventure disappears, they begin beating &lt;EM&gt;them self &lt;/EM&gt;up. It's actually in the child nature phase that people need to be lowered a bit (aka grounded) very carefully. Care and thoughtfulness is required for highly sensitive people.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;When your wife is on a high, does she long for you to 'vibe up' and feel the excitement and energy of life that &lt;EM&gt;she&lt;/EM&gt; feels? In other words, is she looking for a 'play mate' to have fun with? &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;With her sudden haircut, did she do it at a point where she was going through a 'I want to let things go. I want dramatic change' phase. If so, that voice she heard could have been simple intuition. Some folk hear it louder than others. Sounds crazy but you hear stories about this kind of stuff, like a firefighter who couldn't find his way out until &lt;EM&gt;a voice&lt;/EM&gt; suddenly said 'Go left'. He'll say that this voice directed and rescued him. Little outside the square but maybe your wife is sensitive and a little intuitive.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi again Lost husband&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Strange question perhaps but when your wife cut her hair did anyone say how fantastic she looks? If she stood in front of the mirror at the result and thought 'I feel excited, liberated and I love myself' was the response more so 'Why did you do that? Are you insane?!' If this was the kind of response she got, I imagine it would have brought her down. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I believe she relies on others to raise her and ground her and keep her out of the lows, hence her disappointment and perhaps sadness when people can't deliver. By the way, does she tend to look to the child nature in your kids when she's looking for a high in life? Kids are generally packed with plenty of happiness and energy to inspire others.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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