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Emotional abuse or maybe I’m just loosing the plot

KoalaMum — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 10:12:37 GMT

Hello,
I’m new here so please forgive me if I say anything out of place.

I’ve been with my partner for over a decade and I notice it’s wearing me down. I look back at old photos and I’m not the person I used to be. I’ve lost the genuine laughter and twinkle in my eye. Maybe part of that’s to do with maturing and going through life experiences, making one more wary but I keep wondering if a large part of that is to do with my relationship with my partner.

We can’t seem to communicate. Most communications end up with him being angry, rolling his eyes, sighing or just plain ignoring (like not saying a word or making eye contact so that I have to repeat myself and ask if he heard). In arguments, we just go round in circles and I end up having to apologise and then nothing changes. On the rare occasion when he seems to make changes, it’ll only last a week. When I do confront him, the usual responses are “I didn’t hear you”, “ you should make yourself clearer”, “I don’t remember having that discussion”, “I didn’t realise it was important”.

When things go wrong, I’ll often get the blame. From small things - like the kitchen towel being soaking wet (it was draped over the sink which was wet) to bigger things like why the household financial situation is not as expected.

When I gathered enough courage together and listed out key areas for us to work on, his response was “ it is who I am, I can’t change”.

He told me I am the problem, and wishes there is someone who can “fix” me and tell me how to behave. When I try to put in my side of the story, he either says it’s not important or I’m being nasty to him and he is the real victim.

I can see that some problems are related to my low self esteem during my upbringing and perhaps I should have been more vocal about issues earlier on in the relationship. I can also see he had issues too during his childhood which also play a role.

Some days I cry because I feel so sorry for the little boy that I can see in his eyes and wish I could make this relationship better for him so he won’t feel so upset. Other days I cry because I’m just confused and don’t know what’s up or down anymore as the saying goes.

So I’m just seeing if the community can shed some thoughts on what feels like a confusing situation to me. I feel I should leave because the relationship is harming me (regardless of whether it classifies as emotional abuse or not) but I also feel guilty that I’m abandoning a person who needs love.

Thank you.

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quirkywords — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 10:27:23 GMT

Koala mum

welcome to the forum and thanks for your post.

You write clearly and I can understand how frustratung and confused you feel.

I can relate to what you wrote as my partner is controlling and has similar behaviors to your partner but not all the times. At times he can be considerate but he has never apologized, I do a lot to dave having a conflict, or I used to stand up more for myself.

If he wont see a counsellor you can go alone if you want to.

Are there any times when his behaviour is ok?

How long ago did this behaviour start, from beginnin gof a relationship or in last few years.

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Baljit — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 10:51:38 GMT

Hi KoalaMum,

Welcome to the forum. The BB forums are a safe and secure environment where you can share your thoughts and feelings without any judgement.

The main purpose of the forums are based on the foundation of listening and providing support and guidance when required.

I do feel for you, as your current situation is both challenging and complex in regards to how you are feeling and what you should do next?

To assist maybe the key question you need to ask is (remove all other external factors, including your partner)

What is the best for KoalaMum in regards to her happiness and mental health?

The current situation is unsustainable which you have recognised and you know that it cannot continue and something has to change.

Have you considered counselling either on your own or as a couple, this could be an opportunity for both of you to open up and share your feelings, and this might be the middle ground.

Finally, remember the focus is you and what is the most important thing for KoalaMums current and future happiness and well-being?

Wishing you all the best.

Baljit

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HappyHelper88 — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 10:56:05 GMT

Hello Thank you for your post and welcome

Im sorry to hear what your going through I have had some friends experience a similar thing
From what I have read/heard it is a common thing that can happen after time and when you become more comfortable you lose boundaries
I also suffered from low self esteem from childhood trauma however I have since addressed this as I was hypersensitve about things

It sounds like you guys arent communicating anymore and you are in a tough situation...
If you want to stay you need to communicate

In my experience talking to a professional for their perspective gave me all the information I need to make a decision
Have you thought about seeing someone?

If you want to talk this through with a Beyond Blue counsellor, we’re on 1300 22 4636 or you can reach us on webchat here.

I hope this helps and all the best

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KoalaMum — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 10:59:37 GMT

Thank you for replying so quickly and for your understanding. I try to explain to other people but most just say “he’s just got a strong personality” or say it’s just different relationship styles.

To answer your question, I’m like the frog in hot water that slowly warmed up and woke up one day and realised it’s too hot. Looking back I would say it was there from day one but it ramped up significantly in the last 2 years which was when it woke me up and made me realise it’s getting “too hot”.

There used to be good and okay times interspersed with the negative times. Now the negative ones are more frequent and intense, so much so it made me question my worth as a person.

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quirkywords — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 11:57:09 GMT

Thanks koalaMum for your feedback.

i can relate to questioning your self worth.
does your partner behave well with others but controlling with you.

My partner is charming with others so many would not believe me if I told them. I have a close loved one who can see how manipulative he can be so I am able to talk to them.

Do you have someone who understands how your partner treats you.?

I suppose for me the positive and negative are equal.

what do you want to do ..?

would you feel ok to contact respect australia 1800737732 or look at the website.

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geoff — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 15:46:06 GMT

Hello KoalaMum, what happens in the early days of a relationship change over time and your situation will change, it has for all of us and the true personality is exposed.

This is not so much about staying with someone 'who needs love', it's you who needs the care and love, and from what you have told us this certainly isn't happening, simply because you are apologising when you don't need to.

He doesn't want to listen to what you say and yes, it can be called emotional abuse, because all he wants is to have his way and not have any part in you.

In a relationship, if you have to build up enough courage to say something and then get a response that says 'that's just who I am', then he's stonewalling you and doesn't care what you have to say.

No, you aren't losing the plot at all, you're in a r/lationship you need to strongly consider leaving, I can't tell you what to do, but I can suggest to you that aren't happy, achieving anything you want and definitely not being loved, and that's all you want, to share accomplishments, do things together and mostly enjoy your life, that's love and not emotional abuse.

Please remember it's all about you and how you feel.

Please take care.

Geoff.

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KoalaMum — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 17:09:41 GMT

Hi Baljit,

Thank you for your reply and understanding. I came to the BB forum as a safe place to voice my thoughts and feelings and I'm grateful for this community.

You have highlighted an important question for me and it'll help me to evaluate my options.

I have thought of going to relationship counselling as a couple but fear I will get derailed in my thoughts when I have to talk in front of my partner which pretty much happens most times when we talk about the serious issues. But I will definitely consider it.

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KoalaMum — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 17:15:17 GMT

Thank you HappyHelper88 for your thoughts. Communication breakdown is an important issue for us and I agree this needs to be worked on if I was to stay. I'll keep the number handy.

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KoalaMum — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 17:31:44 GMT

Thank you QuirkyWords. My partner is much better with other people and when I bring this up with him, he says it's different because he doesn't have issues with them.

I know the situation can't continue on like this so I really need to decide if the relationship is salvageable. If he was being honest when he said he can't change, then I guess the chances of rescuing it would be slim.

I still need to do more thinking and soul searching on my part before I even think of bringing it up. Once it's out, I can't take it back because he has said before he would never take back an ex.

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KoalaMum — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 17:47:28 GMT

Thank you Geoff for taking the time to respond to my post. I appreciate the reassurance when I feel like I'm sitting in a storm.

I also want to thank everyone who has responded to me. You're all so kind taking time out from the festivities to reply. I can feel the care and concern - so thank you!

Geoff, you highlighted some important qualities that should exist in a relationship which I could never verbalise. I just felt like something was wrong so I'm glad to see it written in words to help me identify what I am searching for in my relationship.

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therising — Sun, 26 Dec 2021 20:06:44 GMT

Hi KoalaMum

While waking up to someone or someone's behaviour conjures up images of joyful revelation, I've actually found it can feel depressing at times. I know this sounds negative but it remains the truth in some cases. I can relate to a lot of what you're saying, based on my own marriage. I truly feel for you so much.

'It is who I am, I can't change' sounds so familiar. The response I typically get in a lot of cases, when I ask my husband to raise his level of consciousness and consideration is 'That's just me'. Waking up to what this meant in our relationship was challenging. The interpretation, 'I choose not to work on becoming more conscious. I choose not to evolve beyond who I currently am. I choose not to work on our relationship'. For our partner to choose what's easier for them, where does that leave us? On the up side, it dictates that we are on the path of becoming more conscious (yay for us) and they are choosing a different path, whether they're aware of it or not.

To choose the path of waking up/becoming more conscious is, I believe, about choosing the path that takes hard work at times. To choose the easy path is easy.Takes no effort.

Being a mum, I can honestly say it's my kids who have led me to evolve the most. Wondering if you can relate. As a mum, you can become more conscious of the need to develop your patience, tolerance, your ability to think outside the square (beyond traditional thinking or parenting). You can feel the need to work hard on what's not easy, adapting to what's best for your kids. You can develop your ability to be more unselfish while also developing your ability to recognise 'me time' (a hard balance to master). Your kids lead you to develop so much. Before you know it, you find yourself evolving far beyond who you used to be. Meanwhile, you can be met with your partner saying 'That's just not me'. They won't change all that much for the kids, for you, for the relationship. It's like you've been evolving at warp speed while they're happy traveling at their own speed.

Someone once said to me something along the lines of - You can lead someone to changes but if they won't follow your lead, if they insist on staying on their own path, the paths will at some point obviously begin to separate.

In regard to Quirkywords' suggestion about counseling on your own, I went to marriage counseling on my own and it made a positive difference to me, leading me to realise the best in myself, under challenging circumstances.

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KoalaMum — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 07:37:37 GMT

Thank you therising for your understanding and for taking the time to share your experiences. It is helpful to hear other people’s stories to see what their perspectives were in similar situations.

You have so eloquently summarised some of my inner thoughts. You’re right in saying my partner and I have developed at different speeds. I have tried to tell him, show him, guide him when I see his path diverging from me and the rest of the family but like you said, sometimes one does not want to be led or be shown a different way.

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quirkywords — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 09:27:56 GMT

Koala

I agree that the risings insights and summaries 8n all her post make me think and nod my head.

I suppose that many people don’t like to feel they have to leave their own path and take another’s path in order to stay married.

Thanks for all your feedback.

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therising — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 09:57:22 GMT

Hi KoalaMum

I give credit to my husband also, for leading me to evolve into a more conscious person. I think some people can lead you to become more conscious based on what you gradually find you can no longer tolerate. Wondering if you can relate to the following. For me, I went around (for years) in a cycle I never recognised until the last 12 months or so. Btw, we've been together for about 25 years. I'm a slow learner 🙂 Let's say the cycle starts with being happy with the way the relationship's going. So, you're happy and he's happy everything's happy. Then, you start to realise things are a little one sided, so you talk about what you need more of (clearer communication, more adventure, constructive changes etc). He's no longer entirely happy because you're 'making things difficult' when they were going so well. Cue your resentment and the dwelling stage, where you dwell on what's wrong. Suddenly, you hit some inspirational revelation where you realise in your state of enthusiasm and positivity what's wrong and you do everything in your power to work to make it right, including being all happy and giving and considerate in the way you try to raise your partner to be on the same happy excited evolved page. Now, you're back to the beginning of the cycle, with your positive enthusiastic energy which makes him happy. Life is easier for him, now that things are 'back to normal'. Then, the cycle repeats. If you do have a cycle, perhaps it's a little different from this. Part of my cycle involved the words 'Perhaps if I tried harder things would be better'. One day I woke up to the fact I was always the one trying harder. I've actually come to amaze myself with how hard I've tried.

KM, looking back to who we were at some point can often reflect how hard we have tried. I used to think 'I've tried so hard to stop being confrontational (sacrificing my feisty sense of self in the process). I've tried so hard to suppress my need for more adventure based on him not wanting to add a lot of ventures to life or set goals to look forward to (leading to grief for the adventurer and visionary within). With him not putting in the effort the relationship deserves, I feel worth less than what I deserve. I feel worthless (a loss of that true sense of value)' and so on. Of course, the truth remains we are feisty adventurous visionaries of great value and nothing can change the truth. Re-membering our self (putting our self back together) can become the #1challenge 🙂

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KoalaMum — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 10:22:16 GMT

Thank you therising. I can relate to your experience of going on these cycles with the hope that things will get better. Sometimes it’s more like choosing to look the other way and pretend all is rosy (at least on the outside). Thank you for sharing. It is definitely challenging becoming aware of what’s happening and finding the strength to make a positive change.

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therising — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:54:44 GMT

Hi KoalaMum

I wish the best for you. I hope you both come to work through the challenges together, so you're not left to work hard on your own. I also hope you come to fully connect with that part of you or those parts of you that make all the difference in your life. Re-membering yourself is a self loving experience.

I've discovered that while life forms a person, with their upbringing and their experiences along the way, they can be reformed in new constructive ways through a challenging and evolving relationship with a partner. If raised to feel unloved, there is the chance to discover the definition of love in a challenging relationship. If raised through low self esteem, there become challenges that push one to find self respect and self efficacy. If life has lacked direction up to a point, the opportunity to set goals (including ones for personal growth) can come about. There is so much to gain, together and individually. There must be a willingness though, in order to gain. It sounds like you are more than willing, as you clearly work hard on the challenges you face.

🙂

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Juliet_84 — Mon, 27 Dec 2021 22:45:08 GMT

Oh Koala mum,

Firstly, I just want to give you a big hug and a warm welcome to the forum 🙂 aspects of your story feel so familiar for me and I’m sorry you’re going through it. It can be so hard to find our voice and speak up against “strong personalities”, that it can be incredibly demoralizing and hurtful not to be heard or have your feelings validated in any way. Your husbands response that “it is who I am, I can’t change”is a total cop out and immediately absolves him from any responsibility for his behaviour. My ex used to say something similar, “if you don’t like it leave” which has the same effect. Imagine if your children were allowed to say that any time they did something he didn’t like?! It’s always one rule for these people and another for everyone else. It’s a hard one as these people tend to be very manipulative so couples counseling can actually be detrimental because they use it as a chance to manipulate and focus on how you are not meeting their impossible expectations. I had some success with constantly asserting my boundaries, it didn’t make for a comfortable life but it did improve things a bit.

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KoalaMum — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:41:40 GMT

Thank you Juliet_84. Big hugs to you too.

It helps me immensely to know there are people out there who understands what I'm going through. My partner often denies or seemingly have trouble remembering any of our arguments or discussions so there are times where I'm left questioning myself. Sometimes I wonder if he has narcissistic traits as arguments frequently get sidetracked, diverting the blame to my shortcomings and most things centre around what he wants. Even if I manage to get him to agree on something, he'll come back next day and start the discussion all over again and reiterate his original demands, as if the previous day's agreement or discussion never happened.

I appreciate hearing your perspective on couples counselling as you vocalised precisely what my concerns are. Thank you for putting them into words as I couldn't quite come up with words to describe my worries before.

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KoalaMum — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:07:40 GMT

Thank you therising for your words of encouragement. It has given me lots to reflect on.

I have been focused on what others need as I'm a people pleaser so it'll take time for me to learn to reconnect with myself again.