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    <title>topic What came first, the chicken or the egg? in Staying well</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Well surprise surprise this isnt really a post about chickens or eggs its more a question of whether the depression and anxiety preceded the alcohol abuse or the alcohol abuse exacerbated an already susceptible mental health concern...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I wont go into the backstory too much except to say that i struggled (a lot) with depression from as pre teen years as far back as maybe single digits as i grew up at the mercy of a violent alcoholic parent. I escaped into foster care for about year at about 14 or 15 and was medicated for depression i think for about 12 months and though ive had extensive counselling and psycholigist sessions over the years im ultimately pretty damaged from it all. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It took me the best part of a decade to get my shit together but not before getting into recreational party drugs for a few years which further played havoc with my brain chemistry. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;But i got my shit together by my mid 20's, got a good job, started studying and then pretty much spent the next decade working full time and studying part time (and takjng the edge off socially and unsocially) with alcohol. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I cant remember when it got out of hand but i can recal as far back as about a decade now having no issue in kicking off on the couch to a bottle of wine. I always worked in a corporate industry so raging friday night drinks were an acceptable norm. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Fast forward to moving in with my now husband about 9 years ago and as he was a big drinker (often) and i was a big drinker (binge) i feel that we too a degree enabled each others behaviours. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Ive never been an all day drinker but for a time over a few months last year when i was suffering sever anxiety and then again up to a few months ago i had no qualms (well maybe a few qualms) about taking the edge off with a bottle of wine a few nights a week. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I stopped drinking almost 2 months ago and though a felt good for the first few weeks (its amazing what waking up without a hangover can do) but.... My depression and anxiety is absolutely out of control. I always took the edge of 'sad', 'stressed', 'angry', 'anxious' and now that i cant self medicate i feel like i have lost all equilibrium. Lowest of lows and wired anxiousness. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I dont want to medicate as we are considering trying to conceive in the near future but i dont know how to achieve calm n chill. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Ive ditched alcohol, cut out most social media, im burning essential oils, taking baths, trying to exercise (but my energy levels are so low). &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I need help. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:56:51 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Itsnotyouitsme</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-12-05T10:56:51Z</dc:date>
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      <title>What came first, the chicken or the egg?</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/what-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg/m-p/420975#M38711</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Well surprise surprise this isnt really a post about chickens or eggs its more a question of whether the depression and anxiety preceded the alcohol abuse or the alcohol abuse exacerbated an already susceptible mental health concern...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I wont go into the backstory too much except to say that i struggled (a lot) with depression from as pre teen years as far back as maybe single digits as i grew up at the mercy of a violent alcoholic parent. I escaped into foster care for about year at about 14 or 15 and was medicated for depression i think for about 12 months and though ive had extensive counselling and psycholigist sessions over the years im ultimately pretty damaged from it all. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It took me the best part of a decade to get my shit together but not before getting into recreational party drugs for a few years which further played havoc with my brain chemistry. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;But i got my shit together by my mid 20's, got a good job, started studying and then pretty much spent the next decade working full time and studying part time (and takjng the edge off socially and unsocially) with alcohol. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I cant remember when it got out of hand but i can recal as far back as about a decade now having no issue in kicking off on the couch to a bottle of wine. I always worked in a corporate industry so raging friday night drinks were an acceptable norm. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Fast forward to moving in with my now husband about 9 years ago and as he was a big drinker (often) and i was a big drinker (binge) i feel that we too a degree enabled each others behaviours. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Ive never been an all day drinker but for a time over a few months last year when i was suffering sever anxiety and then again up to a few months ago i had no qualms (well maybe a few qualms) about taking the edge off with a bottle of wine a few nights a week. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I stopped drinking almost 2 months ago and though a felt good for the first few weeks (its amazing what waking up without a hangover can do) but.... My depression and anxiety is absolutely out of control. I always took the edge of 'sad', 'stressed', 'angry', 'anxious' and now that i cant self medicate i feel like i have lost all equilibrium. Lowest of lows and wired anxiousness. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I dont want to medicate as we are considering trying to conceive in the near future but i dont know how to achieve calm n chill. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Ive ditched alcohol, cut out most social media, im burning essential oils, taking baths, trying to exercise (but my energy levels are so low). &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I need help. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:56:51 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Itsnotyouitsme</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-05T10:56:51Z</dc:date>
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      <title>What came first, the chicken or the egg?</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/what-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg/m-p/420977#M38713</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi itsnotyouitsme,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Welcome to the forums. I hope you find some calm here. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;First, well done stopping drinking! That is a huge step. It's great that you were able to recognise that you had a problem. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I'm not sure it really matters which came first, but since you have dealt with the alcohol abuse, you are now free to deal with the anxiety/depression.  I would suggest speaking to your GP. I completely understand about not wanting to start medication before pregnancy (although some antidepressants are safe for pregnant women) - but as someone who has recently had my first child I promise you really want your mental health to be as good as it can be before you have a baby. Because after they are born it will get shaky again for a little while - the sleep deprivation alone is insane.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Your GP can also talk to you about options other than medication too. They can refer you to a psychologist at a reduced cost. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You can also try some mindfulness exercises which can help you deal with anxious thoughts in a different way. I like the Smiling Mind app. This app also helped me out a lot after my baby was born. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;kind thoughts, Jess&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2018 09:45:58 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>jess334</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-06T09:45:58Z</dc:date>
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