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    <title>topic Assumptions and presumptions in Staying well</title>
    <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/assumptions-and-presumptions/m-p/376653#M34582</link>
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;There are numerous things in life whereby we can suffer embarrassment. Embarrassment fuels anxiety and depression, a trigger as such in some of us.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;The written word is one that can be difficult to control with assuming this or that. For example&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;“Farms that are presumably in drought areas often, perhaps should be considered not viable from a Govt viewpoint”&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;If someone said those words in any Australian wide forum they might be in for an avalanche of rebutting from farmers and many others that support our land workers. However if we focus on the content of the sentence, it becomes a different matter. The word “presumably” then that is a flexible area of farming location. Those that attack such a sentence don’t know exactly where the farm is that he/she is talking about.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;The word “often” means not all the time so people cant pin down the authors timeframe. It could be 100 years ago.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;The words “not viable” rules out all viable and financially successful farms. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;“Govt viewpoint” is not the authors viewpoint. The author is making a suggestion.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;So the onslaught from readers begins and the attack is all to do with emotion of how dare the author not support farmers. Yet the author might well be supporting farmers, could be a farmer himself, just not supporting unviable ones that the Govt perhaps should consider less fundable.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;This “trap” is common on the internet. It takes some people 10-20 years of learning the hard way to word their debate in a way that excuses them of any verbal attack and accusation.  I’m guilty of assuming also. It’s easy to do and harder to apologise for.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;But even when one explains what one really feels and clarifies what is said the onslaught will likely continue. This “win at all costs” is common now and it is hard for some to walk away giving the other the last say, to be suppressed. I’ve experienced this myself. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;So its important for our mental well being to minimalise conflict and one way to do that is to read carefully what is being said and not assume too much at the beginning. Stay calm and try to throw in a joke now and then to lighten up the mood.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Remember, there is passionate people out there. Their beliefs are set in stone. You aren’t going to change their views overnight and why desire to change them? Express your disagreement but allow them their thoughts.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;As the late Peter Brock once said “My thoughts are personal, they are mine and mine alone and no one else has a right to them” (paraphrasing)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Ditto.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Tony WK&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    <pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2018 04:26:51 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>white knight</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-02-21T04:26:51Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Assumptions and presumptions</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/assumptions-and-presumptions/m-p/376653#M34582</link>
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;There are numerous things in life whereby we can suffer embarrassment. Embarrassment fuels anxiety and depression, a trigger as such in some of us.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;The written word is one that can be difficult to control with assuming this or that. For example&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;“Farms that are presumably in drought areas often, perhaps should be considered not viable from a Govt viewpoint”&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;If someone said those words in any Australian wide forum they might be in for an avalanche of rebutting from farmers and many others that support our land workers. However if we focus on the content of the sentence, it becomes a different matter. The word “presumably” then that is a flexible area of farming location. Those that attack such a sentence don’t know exactly where the farm is that he/she is talking about.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;The word “often” means not all the time so people cant pin down the authors timeframe. It could be 100 years ago.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;The words “not viable” rules out all viable and financially successful farms. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;“Govt viewpoint” is not the authors viewpoint. The author is making a suggestion.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;So the onslaught from readers begins and the attack is all to do with emotion of how dare the author not support farmers. Yet the author might well be supporting farmers, could be a farmer himself, just not supporting unviable ones that the Govt perhaps should consider less fundable.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;This “trap” is common on the internet. It takes some people 10-20 years of learning the hard way to word their debate in a way that excuses them of any verbal attack and accusation.  I’m guilty of assuming also. It’s easy to do and harder to apologise for.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;But even when one explains what one really feels and clarifies what is said the onslaught will likely continue. This “win at all costs” is common now and it is hard for some to walk away giving the other the last say, to be suppressed. I’ve experienced this myself. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;So its important for our mental well being to minimalise conflict and one way to do that is to read carefully what is being said and not assume too much at the beginning. Stay calm and try to throw in a joke now and then to lighten up the mood.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Remember, there is passionate people out there. Their beliefs are set in stone. You aren’t going to change their views overnight and why desire to change them? Express your disagreement but allow them their thoughts.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;As the late Peter Brock once said “My thoughts are personal, they are mine and mine alone and no one else has a right to them” (paraphrasing)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Ditto.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Tony WK&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2018 04:26:51 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/assumptions-and-presumptions/m-p/376653#M34582</guid>
      <dc:creator>white knight</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-02-21T04:26:51Z</dc:date>
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