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    <title>topic Stubbornness and relationships in Staying well</title>
    <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/stubbornness-and-relationships/m-p/361172#M33710</link>
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;We read it often, a carer writes in about their desperate situation of their ill partners rejection of any medical assistance, a review of their already diagnosed illness or perhaps basic relationship counselling. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Let’s look at why. Why would anyone in a living together relationship risk any harmony of that relationship simply because they wont (in a nutshell) seek help? Let’s examine some reasons.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;That meds aren’t working as expected&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;The meds have side effects &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;With men mainly, they don’t like doctors&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;They don’t like the way their partner “tells” them to visit their GP&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;They feel little obligation to their partner's wishes&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;They don't care (depressed?)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;You can add to that. What I’m concerned about with many posters here is the lack of regard for the relationship by not seeking help. To put a relationship at risk is to gamble with it. To gamble with it is to say “I’m not seeking help and if she (he) leaves me well I’ll be alone and that isn’t so bad.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;This is, IMO, a reflection of not so much stubbornness but a realisation that all people are a hurdle for the sufferer or rather no people, no obligations, is another answer. If this is true then the real problem isn’t solely based on the carer. i.e. there are other factors involved. This can give some comfort to the carer, to realise they aren’t the only reason for such an attitude. Anybody that is a carer of your ill partner might end up with the same challenges as- you! Take heart- it isn’t likely you that is the problem regardless of the blame you might get.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;If your ill partner refuses to seek any help then I’m afraid the future isn’t rosy. Most carers will have a choice in the end as things deteriorate, stay and endure the symptoms or leave because arguing will not change their mind. We call it stubbornness but a better description might be- “no faith in treatment and a need to feel normal”. If that results in a marriage split then how strong is the marriage? Does it have to get to a split up before he/she seeks help? By that time the resentment from the carer is at an all time low, damage has been done. This logic often escapes the ill. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;I have a friend with bipolar1. After 25 years of marriage he sort diagnosis and meds. I said to his wife “at least he finally got help” to which she replied “at what cost?”. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;Ask your partner how far he/she is prepared to risk the relationship for you to endure the symptoms of mental illness? Are you aware of the effort needed to live with you unmedicated?&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Tony WK&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    <pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:31:01 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>white knight</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-03-18T00:31:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Stubbornness and relationships</title>
      <link>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/stubbornness-and-relationships/m-p/361172#M33710</link>
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;We read it often, a carer writes in about their desperate situation of their ill partners rejection of any medical assistance, a review of their already diagnosed illness or perhaps basic relationship counselling. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Let’s look at why. Why would anyone in a living together relationship risk any harmony of that relationship simply because they wont (in a nutshell) seek help? Let’s examine some reasons.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;That meds aren’t working as expected&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;The meds have side effects &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;With men mainly, they don’t like doctors&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;They don’t like the way their partner “tells” them to visit their GP&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
    &lt;/LI&gt;
    &lt;LI style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;"&gt;
    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;They feel little obligation to their partner's wishes&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    &lt;P style="color: #000000; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 24px;"&gt;They don't care (depressed?)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;You can add to that. What I’m concerned about with many posters here is the lack of regard for the relationship by not seeking help. To put a relationship at risk is to gamble with it. To gamble with it is to say “I’m not seeking help and if she (he) leaves me well I’ll be alone and that isn’t so bad.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;This is, IMO, a reflection of not so much stubbornness but a realisation that all people are a hurdle for the sufferer or rather no people, no obligations, is another answer. If this is true then the real problem isn’t solely based on the carer. i.e. there are other factors involved. This can give some comfort to the carer, to realise they aren’t the only reason for such an attitude. Anybody that is a carer of your ill partner might end up with the same challenges as- you! Take heart- it isn’t likely you that is the problem regardless of the blame you might get.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;If your ill partner refuses to seek any help then I’m afraid the future isn’t rosy. Most carers will have a choice in the end as things deteriorate, stay and endure the symptoms or leave because arguing will not change their mind. We call it stubbornness but a better description might be- “no faith in treatment and a need to feel normal”. If that results in a marriage split then how strong is the marriage? Does it have to get to a split up before he/she seeks help? By that time the resentment from the carer is at an all time low, damage has been done. This logic often escapes the ill. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;I have a friend with bipolar1. After 25 years of marriage he sort diagnosis and meds. I said to his wife “at least he finally got help” to which she replied “at what cost?”. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;Ask your partner how far he/she is prepared to risk the relationship for you to endure the symptoms of mental illness? Are you aware of the effort needed to live with you unmedicated?&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 24px;"&gt;Tony WK&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:31:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/stubbornness-and-relationships/m-p/361172#M33710</guid>
      <dc:creator>white knight</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-03-18T00:31:01Z</dc:date>
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