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The world is overrated because of people!

Jaibigrone907 — Fri, 19 Jul 2024 16:03:15 GMT

1) Society only conceives themselves and they don't try to understand others. Everyone's bias and no one can disagree with themselves typically.

2) People either cause your problems, they otherwise don't care, or they even potentially enjoy hearing about them with some.

3) Advice and support is usually cliché, interaction is superficial, often the only redirected recommendation is shrinks that leads to detrimental pharmaceutical treatment and involuntary clients who feel invalided and become victims.

4) I can't relate to my nationalities culture, only since my generation globally is following a unified consensus to not be interested or believing in Christianity Religion or with being all under the same political left wing mainstream consensus. I find their indisputable with any of their popularised views and they argue with illogic. They project their insecurities too often and they can't have as much meaningful or broaden conversation, everything's usually awkward, weird, or whose cringe, a hipster, desperate and they feel things are worth addressing. I don't like their music since 2008, their too into Andrew Tate, women aren't prude. I only like older generations.

5) The 21st Century is horrible, people are high consumers and overt materialist's, which than makes them more socially superficial, shallow, narcissistic, insincere. Their less emotional courtesy and manners today, people are more grandiose and with potential audacity to not care, it's too much with financial net worth and being entitled. I don't like globalism - diversity.

6) Everyone's more innocent until proven guilty and they won't take needed accountability, they have no humility to be wrong anymore, they treat sincerity and make it that your so humble or rare, to normalise to feel & be mental, fake and laugh at what's true or say that it's strange or weird, but to be guilty of the same acknowledged things.

7) I couldn't relate to my father. I am a male cultural misfit Christian Fundamentalist and my father is a generic misogynistic that's chauvinistic, sexist. His got no issue with the bloke culture in my opinion and he is stoic and selfish, His not creative. He tries to vicariously live his sports team through me at times and he diverts his illiterate limits onto me that I'm dyslexic. His potential with rarer jealousy and puts his average mediocrity on a pedestal with being the bread winner and the family bill payer. His sister and family is narcissistic and with dysfunctional differences.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

white knight — Fri, 19 Jul 2024 19:47:20 GMT

Hi, welcome

Interesting post. Rather than dissect every point I'd like to comment on the post overall.

Firstly, in my 20';s (I'm 68 yo), several times I pcked up my tent and headed for the hills on my motorcycle with the intent of abandoning the bike and living in the bush... somehow. After 5-6 days I'd return to the city. Then the last time I was cruising home and passed a cute farm house and wondered if that symbolised the answer- a half way point in order to tolerate the modern world and its shallow people? Eventually I moved to a regional area.

From a new quieter, environment I was able to regulate my life, my visitors and my input to the local community but it still needed tweaking because I still had involvement with toxic people intent on conflict. I'd been in the Airforce and a warder so conflict wasnt desirable. So it developed, I had to find new ways to protect myself from the toxic and mould who I interacted with.... take control. So fast track to a few years ago, for the benefit of my mental health I developed my "fortress", that resulted in ridding my life of some family members that were using triangulation, emotional blackmail and so on that they believed was ok and wouldnt take warnings. I treated workmates as temporary necessary relationships and held no special feelings, I was civil but not too inviting unless I really liked someones attitude.

But, I embraced positivity that I'd learned at 26yo at a lecture and I'd recommend such. Thats why when you mention modern times and the horrible things taking place in th world I think to myself - well prior to 1932 we didnt have penicillin, Cancer treatment, flushing toilets, a car or two for every house and so on.

All of the above resulted in a fine tuned attitude that serves me to this day.

I have a few posts below. I'd be more than happy to discuss this further. You only need to read the first post of each.

https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/relationship-and-family-issues/fortress-of-survival/td-p/216226

https://forums.beyondblue.org.au/t5/staying-well/30-minutes-can-change-your-life/td-p/154525

TonyWK

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

therising — Sun, 21 Jul 2024 05:56:36 GMT

Hi Jaibigrone907

I'm wondering whether you've managed to find a spiritual circle of some kind, somewhere that offers you a sense of support and belonging. Personally, I've found the right circle can offer a chance to contribute as well, providing a sense of purpose to some degree. I agree with you in regard to the world being highly questionable in many ways. A circle can also support our sense of questioning, while also being able to provide some of the answers we might be looking for.

While I was raised Catholic, eventually there came to be something within me that was leading me to search for something beyond Catholicism. This search led me to a local Anglican church that seemed to offer more of what I was looking for, including a circle which held group meetings on certain nights. It was such a lovely experience. Further down the track, I began to explore more so mainstream spirituality which also offered certain ideas and circle opportunities. While I appear to be someone who jumps from one thing to another, I'd more so describe myself as someone who is a collector of inspiring and soulful ideas and a participant of circles that are about support, especially when the world gives us so many challenges.

One of the greatest pieces of advice I was ever given was 'Find your circle, a group of people who will raise you to discover who you naturally are'. I think when we meet with who we naturally are, this becomes a soulful and liberating experience. Do you know of any spiritual circles in your local area? Sounds like you could be looking for a strong and supportive Christian circle.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

Jaibigrone907 — Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:35:08 GMT

There's a lot of other things that bother me about the world. The lack of sincerity, how it's more socially superficial, how everyone's more shallow and into generalisations, stereotypes. The reality of social norms trying to dictate what anyone should achieve, do, think or be insecure about. The conformity with this 98% normalised feeling that anyone has to feel less than celebrities just because their very rich and happen to be famous, even when they have nothing to do with most ordinary people. It bothers me more how they want to feel maybe flattered or have you with hysterical reactions if you meet them, too many divert their own flaws and insecurities onto others, it's being born sane in a world that's diverse, mental, everyone's unique and everything is subjective, but not when certain people vicariously want you to be them or when there's any consensus, you become to unpopular to be allowed to think independently with open disagreement. Everyone vaguely trusts their doctors as flawless experts and no one acknowledges that shrinks are narcissist's and how detrimental their pharmaceuticals are. I can admire celebrities if I like their music or acting ability, but I would want to meet them, I wouldn't know what to say or have really any questions for them, it would be such a rare thing to be around anyone of their status, but it's more the feeling that your made to feel like your just less of existent value, based on their fortunate achievements that are only relevant for themselves, the next person makes you feel jealous and their not even beyond mediocrity themselves.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

Jaibigrone907 — Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:39:32 GMT

I meant to say that I wouldn't want to meet any of them. I can't statistically say how many people in the world enjoy others problems, cause them or don't care. I will just believe that decency and courtesy is very marginalised in any country.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

white knight — Mon, 22 Jul 2024 08:27:49 GMT

Hi again,

It's sad to read how you're struggling in life. I don't read much positivity from your post nor any sign that you've read mine and "the rising's" replies which tries to put you on a better track.

This ultimate means imo that professional medical staff are required to delve deep to find out what's going on. If it's any relief, many of us here have done exactly that and made life so much better.

Regardless I hope you're enjoying the site and feel better venting. Your posts are direct and honest and that's appreciated

TonyWK

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

therising — Mon, 22 Jul 2024 09:05:38 GMT

Hi Jaibigrone907

I think just about every area of society has its spectrum. In psychology you'll have psychologists at one extreme who are big on bringing in the money while solving just about everything with pills, and then at the other end there are those psychologists who care deeply and work hard to find ways forward while wishing they had more time to offer their clients. There are celebrities who are humble, thoughtful and deeply caring, right through to those who couldn't care less about anyone other than who they see when they look in the mirror. While there are triggering people on the roads who fully believe everyone should give way to them, there are those who give way with a smile and a wave even when they have right of way. With young people who, at one end, have an emotionally detached self entitled and self absorbed way of thinking, at the other end there are young people who feel so deeply for others to the point where it hurts. From one extreme to the other in so many areas of life, it can be hard not to observe people at the most self serving end of each spectrum, as many can be rude, depressing, attention seeking and more. They are often the most outstanding people and not in a good way. The quiet achievers often don't stand out, those who achieve bringing us a smile, an opportunity and some sense of ease. For those who achieve the ability to feel, sometimes in painful ways, I feel for them while considering how the world remains an incredible place while they are in it. Where we look will often dictate who we find.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

Jaibigrone907 — Mon, 29 Jul 2024 04:33:27 GMT

I agree there's certain people that are surprising. But generally the world's worse than good, people care about sex and money, that's the main thing. Otherwise they are typically vain with their motives for most. The world is a place of unwanted conformity and often negative influence. People only normalise anything under a popularised consensus, they treat anyone peculiar or unique as being weird, different, rare, wrong or special, the modern term is wither their a hipster. Society always laughs about what's true and they just say if whatever's strange or that they don't know, even if they could say more. Socialising is small talk and it's all about petty, trivial things, people care too much about politics that divides society and their passionate about their beliefs that doesn't significantly change the world, no matter whose elected, the politicians don't deliver with most of what they advocate. People truthfully want you to be average, but they want everything for themselves, the world's hypocritical. Everyone is a Babylon nature and they wrongly hate Christianity, they don't read the Bible and adapt to it's greater values, morals, humbleness, humility, superior qualities. There's more injustice in this world than unconditional satisfaction. The world also bullies you into modernist attitudes. Every nationality and society is xenophobic and insular with their own countries, their raised in one ignorant place to think their the right way, with any customs, beliefs, sports, personality etc. AEveryone idolises Hollywood trash celebrities that are pretentious, narcissistic, material, their immoral and entitled, with behavioural ugly audacity. Their overrated with whose popular today. The next person in society only understands themselves and they think you need their approval, with if your likeable, sane, controversial, intelligent, they try to define you with anything they say and think. If your average, attractive, yet they can't handle being told the slightest thing. Also how with the Google search engine, it's just all influenced by progressive politics and it's correlated to the media's narrative, so what statistics or articles you read, are just told the way they want you to know, rather than what's actually the truth. You can compare between them and the stories don't add up, through different ordered journalist's. Everyone works for just money these days, they don't care about being authentic to what their passionate career direction should be. Their willing to be insincere and selfish for the sake of income. A criminal can be in diverse ways, not just prisoners in jail, it could be a detrimental pill enforcing shrink, a high school bully or a negligent parent.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

therising — Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:09:32 GMT

Hi Jaibigrone907

While higher levels of consciousness can definitely feel like some form of torture, it becomes understandable how ignorance can be bliss. When we become conscious of a lot of the things that trigger us, it really can feel tormenting in so many ways and on so many levels.

I tend to wonder about people, wonder about human nature in all its forms. I've found it's somewhat less emotional to be an observer and simply wonder about certain people. I think this has come about through having better come to understand and manage 'disappointment'.

If I appoint a group of people the role of being thoughtful and they dis-appoint themselves from that role (through their words and actions), it's me who suffers through frustration, anger, intolerance, resentment and more. On the other hand, if I don't give or appoint them the role, there is no disappointment to be felt. I'm free to feel a sense of wonder, as to why they tick the way they do. Btw, I'll choose to give the role of 'thoughtful' to those who can fill it brilliantly.

It's of no interest to me to appoint caring roles to those who could not care less, to appoint inspiring roles to those who are degrading and depressing, to appoint roles that reflect higher consciousness to egotistical bullies and so on. It's a waste of my time and my focus. After many disappointments, I think one day I just woke up and thought 'I'm sick of this' or sick because of this, feeling let down, feeling disappointment. Then I thought 'How can I stop feeling this?' and that's when what came to mind was 'What are the appointments you're giving to people?'. Unrealistic ones, would be the answer.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

Ggrand — Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:56:10 GMT

Hello Dear Jaibigrone907,

I am sorry you’re struggling so much with society….

Their are kind and caring people out in society, who do their best to help others when the opportunity arises….also lots of people don’t work for money but volunteer many hours of their time to help the community and the less fortunate…..

I really do hope that one day soon, you will meet these kind of people instead of the ones you’re talking about…

My kind thoughts Dear Jaibigrone902….

Grandy..

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

Jaibigrone907 — Tue, 30 Jul 2024 05:45:16 GMT

Thanks for your response Grandy. Appreciate it.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

Jaibigrone907 — Tue, 30 Jul 2024 23:41:53 GMT

Hey again WK, I thank you for your reply. I don't mean to seem vain Knight. I just am actively reading your responses, even if it seems I've been not replying. I guess I keep posting, because I don't have anyone to turn to, I only complain to my mother and she either knows my frustrations and either I can't change the world, my circumstances or give myself the esteem I can't attain. It's just knowing how there's always a new reason I get angry with my life.

If it wasn't high school and all the bad toxic relationships for a decade, it was having to have all my health side effects by the pharmaceuticals and how I'm affected now permanently and would never want it. My treatment is involuntary because of the specific diagnosis. It was all these inconveniences I had with getting my driving, knowing that my parents weren't suitable to drive with me, it was my aspiration that they either didn't care about or entirely believe in my ability. I remember turning 18 and it was this reality of no work direction, independence, money, opportunities even than. It's how no one would assist me if I wasn't claiming DSP. It's knowing how I'm wrongly treated for Schizophrenia and unfortunately that I am still responsible for the choices I made during 2012 - 2014. It's how years later by 2021 I have spirituality that I indisputably can differentiate as nothing that Schizophrenia isn't. It's constant opinions about their trying to demean my intelligence, make me feel different. All this constant daily experiences that happen in diverse ways. Having my brain bullied against me. I was sent to hospital in 2021 and they noted me as a relapse when I wasn't even wanting to be admitted.

I had to occasionally have a decade with knowing my Dad's friend and I never enjoyed those times. I dislike his sister, especially when she tried to make me seem disabled and if I'm taking things day by day. My mother's sisters kids, Since they hate Christianity and can't be wrong about anything at all, they think their a royal British family how they can shun the world as the problem, but everyone has to be approved to see them or be liked by them. My father is useless, He never cared about us having a purpose, development.

It's not only the psychiatry shrinks and general practioners how they just presume I struggle with basic functionality, because their looking through the lense that I have Schizophrenia when I know I don't actually. It's amusing to me how anyone thinks I could advance my life. I haven't had direction for what I ever wanted to do, job recruiters are useless besides writing me a overhyped resume that's nothing beyond nine months of hated volunteering, how their trying to sell off my apparent excellent sociability and wither I'm eager to work terrible jobs with the lowest or bare minimum entry wages. I can't do University without a needed eligible VCE and a ATAR of beyond 87, and I only understandably, reasonably became interested in Dietitian - Nutrition, only since I was diagnosed with pre diabetes. All this stuff has ruined my esteem to be musical as a hobbie. I blame the spirituality.

I hate my generation too. I hate their corroded influence with Andrew Tate. They hate tradition or Christianity. A lot are vape, marijuana, generic Mc Donald's, Taco Bell, wither they have sleeve or full body tattoo's. I can't tolerate how their more shallow and socially trivial about nonsense, everything's either humour or it's controversial. They project insecurities if anyone's weird, awkward, cringe, being a hipster, so concerned about which men are desperate. I don't like the musicians of today.

The worst lesson I knew as I got older. It's how no one cares mostly, people cause the problems, many enjoy yours. It was knowing how you have to mostly conform and be superficial, that almost caring about a stranger makes you special and it's not going to be reciprocated back to you. The heart is valued last in this world usually. People are jealous not envious and they want to manipulate their insecurities onto you, they want you to be average and have success for themselves. It was how money and results and sexual activity is the focus of the world. Life isn't fair and certain people are allowed to do everything and face no consequences others get judged for doing nothing or the most minor thing. Everyone will acknowledge the things their guilty of doing too. The world wants everyone to be not unique, being yourself gets you bullied, unless your famous and people have a bandwagon to feel jealous or defend you superficially. It's just how the world will make you feel weird or mental and your told mostly what your not wanting to hear.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

Jaibigrone907 — Tue, 30 Jul 2024 07:09:19 GMT

Hey White, I replied to this, but it's on the page 2 of this posted section. The final thing I just wanted to add to the post that I've posted. It's just how I have to be bothered with what's mostly annoying with the spirituality side of things, if it's not what seems to be American's telling me about if I'm Democratic, Seventies or British or it's the Psychiatry shrinks trying to make me feel different or wither I'm autism, asperges, not intelligent. I know it's them when their talking about dialogue and in so many ways, the only reason I'm experiencing my bullshit spirituality is purely based off the misdiagnosis, it's so frustrating. I can experience them laughing about me. I get told wither I'm a loser and it's a absolute joke, because no one else is going through this suffering, wither their in worse situations, if their older or similar circumstances. It's virtually being one person, who isn't understood, misrepresented, ruined and being defined by everyone, it's this feeling that just communicating will get me sent to a hospital ward, it's the most legitimate shit anyone could live like. Constantly made to feel like it's their expert evaluation and it's not, it's in actuality a pseudo science under only perceived symptoms by flawed humans that are academic, smug and egotistical narcissist's, they exaggerate more than they know for certain. Their not the credible science of a urine sample or a blood tube test, it's a shame how everyone's overly backing them.

I'm too nihilistic for this world. I only see the truth.

Jaibigrone907 — Mon, 31 Mar 2025 02:31:52 GMT

I don't think I can have success in this world. It's all changed since 2012 - 2013. In my opinion, people have became too trivial, materialistic, socially superficial, more insincere, rude, their now more jealous about others, not just envious and inspired. Their more egotistical, narcissistic, hypocritical. The Century is not humble anymore, it's more about socio economic status, and financial net worth, comparing peoples lives.

The sociology has changed globally. If you have Conservative views, they are treated as controversial or taboo. I also can't relate to the generation, and outside America, how they have my religious similarities. It's pointless for me anyway, since half the world is under age 30, and their the future, with the opposite to my political views.

I don't like their creativity, modern characteristics. I don't like their virtues and shitter values, they have less humility, more social insecurities, and then it becomes wrongly, how they label you. I don't like their emotional un-intelligence, their too ethical, too confident, and their too toxic, with Andrew Tate mentalities. Their a generation that doesn't allow for creativity, or better intelligence. They make you a nerd, or that nothing's your generation. It's how you dress, talk, what you vote for, what music you like, or if your wanting to be more British than American.

I remember in the early 2000's. You could say things like, if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say nothing at all. You could say, agree to disagree, or each to their own. It wasn't like now, that everything is subjective, when their only supporting the mainstream, or this generations bias consensus, while they treat you as a idiot, for having unpopular, or other generation views.

I hate the feeling. When people presume or generalise anything about strangers. If your weird or mental, they always say if your different. Their convinced to their shallow beliefs, and they say if your awkward, cringe. It's worse with American's, if your mainstream, or modern, if your a Democrat, wither you are or aren't.

Otherwise I notice, how there's too much issues with ethnicities, either misconstrue, or manipulated allegations. Too many try, to make being White a abnormal personality, they directly mention about if your Whiter or that your White. They try to make you self conscious, wither it's your social style, your thinking. To me it's absolute discreet hypocritical prejudice. If you have conflicts, they victimise their colour.

Re: The world is overrated because of people!

Earth Girl — Mon, 07 Apr 2025 09:43:27 GMT

Hi, I have been working on myself again a lot recently and can now see where you are coming from now. I'm sorry that it took me this long to realize this. Thank you for trying to help me and for sticking with me all this time and not given up on me.

I know I have a problem with vulnerable narcissism and trying to make myself believe that I am the victim in most cases even though I'm really not just to try to make myself feel better, putting my own comfort before being true to myself and others. As well as often thinking I am more special than others even though I am actually very naive for my age.

If I said anything mean or rude about you, could you please tell me exactly what I said? I genuinely don't remember a lot of the nasty things that I said about people. I just said them carelessly, not thinking about how what I could say could hurt others and thinking that people would find them funny, though it's really not funny at all, it's just wrong. I am disappointed in myself for saying those things because I told myself that I wouldn't make that mistake because when I was younger, I had people say mean things to me thinking that it was funny and not even realizing that it was hurting my feelings.

With being materialistic, could you please explain to me what exactly it is that I am doing that makes me materialist? (I am sure that you are correct here, I just want to know exactly what it is that I am doing that makes me materialistic). I do go shopping a lot and I do think I put too much importance on clothes and things like that. I know it's okay to enjoy those things, but I treat them with too much importance.

I remember you saying that my Dad shouldn't be telling me that it's okay to treat my pension as though it is an allowance so at the beginning of this year, I started only spending the money I make at my part time job on material things. I use my pension for groceries and things like that as well as saving up. Even before this year, I tried not to go too overboard with shopping and wrote down what I bought and how much things cost so I could keep track of how much I was spending.

I was wondering if you could also, please explain to me how I am stereotyping things and/or people? I remember I use to stereotype names, thinking that some names were "cool kid" names and others were "average" kid names", but I am not sure what else it is that I am stereotyping so I would appreciate it if you could explain these things to me in a way that I can understand. (And what I can do to be more sincere and not socially superficial).

Again, thanks for trying to help.

Re: I'm too nihilistic for this world. I only see the truth.

white knight — Mon, 07 Apr 2025 12:03:24 GMT

Hi Jaibigrone907

I'm sorry I havent been active on the forum lately, been very busy.

I've read your last 3 replies and I thankyou for those because its important to us champions that we get to know you overall and a painted picture is better than a sketch.

I'm really impressed with your ability to write so well and convey how you feel. Feeling arent easy to hand over to strangers and I'm glad you've had the basic level of faith in me and Beyond Blue to do that.

What I can see thats worrying is a few things

Your lack of confidence in the real you. Eg you like old music as if that is abnormal yet I went out last Saturday night with my wife to a live show and there was a 18yo woman playing Mozart with a violin. There was another woman playing a harp and singing in celtic language. Amazing.
The other thing is lack of acceptance of most things in this world. I hope you are ok with me saying that. Most humans have a lack of acceptance of the world we live in, like some of the things you mention eg lack of values, manipulators, hypocrites and toxicity. It only becomes a problem when 1/ we cant control these things or we are flooded in our minds of them, excessive dwelling and being annoyed.

To be clearer- humans are imperfect and different. We dont have clones except maybe twins. So we have different values and those values and attitudes are the most common reason we are incompatible or compatible with others. This results in developing our own inner circle of friends. However those that are not in that circle (unless toxic) could be treated in a civil manner if we accept their differences. The saying goes- "it would be a boring world if we were all the same...

To accept people with differences we can practice saying to ourselves "that John guy likes heavy rock music, but otherwise he is a nice person". If in conversation with "john" you can reject his offer to listen to his heavy rock "thankyou for the invite but truly, I cant listen to it.. I hope I dont offend". This might put "John" in a pigeon hole of acquaintance rather than potential friend but thats fine. As you age you'll fine tune your ability to allow entry of ideal people into your inner circle and they will be seen by you are very compatible. This action and the reverse of rejecting someone from your inner circle allows for the process to remain fluid, constantly changing throughout your life. But there is that basic level of acceptance of other humans that is crucial to a healthy life. Eg you might see two ladies talking over the fence about roses. You might think its trivial talk but thats how some or even most people have conversation, its important to them to find a central topic to communicate about which can lead to more important topics.

I hope you are ok.

TonyWK