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my panic attacks upset mum

David35 — Fri, 09 Jun 2023 13:15:46 GMT

I'm 46, live on a DSP with my mum who had cancer the last few years. Shes ok now, apart from preventative chemo. In this time my panic attacks have increased, due to the stress and trauma of it all, as well as emotions from dads death due to cancer. The problem now is that mums okay, but despite me getting counselling, I'm still struggling.

Last month due to lack of sleep, I had a panic attack driving to chemo. It got so bad I had to turn around, go home and get a taxi instead. The last session was better, at least I slept well. The thing is, I'm trying hard to reduce stress, have a woodworking hobby, but the smallest things trigger me. The main one is anything medically related. I'm so sick of medical appointments, we had so many different doctors to see, that the mere mention of one makes me angry. Today i regrettably threw a loaf of bread on the ground out of frustration. It's like a form of ptsd associated with medical system. Has anyone else experienced this? How did they treat it? Then there's the insults. Today I got told that I hope I get better before she dies! As if I didn't have enough self worth issues from being on a DSP. The pressure to be better is itself anxiety inducing and when I do have them the guilt she induces by breaking down, slamming doors and telling me there's no hope for you makes things even worse.

Tomorrow she'll be sympathetic. But considering I've been with her every step (urologists, gynaecologists, oncologist, biopsies, cystoscopies, etc.) And went out of my way, is it too much to ask that I have time to heal? Every time I try to explain things, it spirals into a competition which she inevitably wins because she's the patient. But what about the carer?

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therising — Fri, 09 Jun 2023 18:57:26 GMT

Hi David35

I feel so deeply for you David, I really do. The amount of stress you've faced and are still facing is just terrible. I wish there was something I could say that could offer you great relief. The best I can think to do is offer a perspective that my 20yo daughter brought to me last year.

Last year my daughter mentioned the idea of General Adaptation Syndrome (GAS). When I looked it up I thought 'I can completely relate'. The 3rd stage, the exhaustion stage, pretty much summed up how I'd come to feel on a day to day basis - anxious, depressed, fatigued, triggered to stress by the tiniest things. As my husband works at being the sole income earner this year, I have taken the year off work to a) recover from last year's increasing number of stressors and b) manage this years stressors without having to find the time to go out to work as well. Late last year it got to the point where I just couldn't cope with everything. Anxiety had become a first time experience in my life at 52.

The GAS factor helps with understanding what all our mental challenges are doing to our physical body as long as we're under stress. When there's little stress relief there are consequences that can feel brutal.

The triggers that can come about may not be all that obvious until they become obvious and quite surprising. Suddenly there can appear to be dozens of tiny little triggers.

My phone ringing triggers my nervous system and the thought 'What's the problem now?'
Waking up in the morning triggers the thought 'What will happen today that I need to be able to cope with?' (aka hyper vigilance)
The words 'Can you do me a favour' trigger an instant stress response
With me being the family's finance manager, my husband mentioning (to give me the heads up so I don't stress) 'This weeks pay isn't going to be a big one' triggers the problem solving calculator in my head when it comes to how I need to manage that

the list goes on with so many tiny little itty bitty triggers and they're just a handful of the ones I'm conscious of.

David, I think we need to also be conscious of what we don't hear. When what we don't hear is 'How can I be of service to you', that's a problem we definitely need to manage. I've found another problem involves when people ask 'How can I help?' but they're only prepared to help with the easy stuff, which means we're left doing the hard stuff again. I think the challenge is to become more demanding. Hard to do when we're someone who's so used to catering to the needs and demands of others. Becoming more demanding does not make us a bad person, it simply makes us a self loving person.

David, you have done an incredible job in helping save the life of another person, an amazing gift to give to someone. You should love yourself for that, all the work you've put into making that happen. While you don't have the credentials of a urologist, gynecologist, oncologist or some other specialist, you remain an integral member of a life saving team, while you've had to constantly adapt to remain a member of that team.

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David35 — Sat, 10 Jun 2023 06:41:13 GMT

Thanks. SO many things I can relate to. They hyper vigilance is there. Sudden sounds. But mainly the demands. It's like my plate is full, I cannot cope with more medical, sickness, death I see on the news. There are so many tragedies in the world on a daily basis and I've had to just ignore them. Mum thinks that means I don't care. But there's only so much I can do. It's the lack of control. So I filter out the things I can't control and focus on the things I can control (getting books for mum, shopping, pharmacy runs, pay bills, go with her to medical apts.)

On top of that there's the typical reaction of friends & family running for the hills in case we "infect" them with depression or worry. It's a real eye opener into just how selfish our society is. Very few people just care. My sister in law said "What can we do?". Given that she hadn't contacted mum in over a year I felt like saying "Pick up the bloody phone! It's not hard" But I've had to learn to accept people, as hard as it is.

About the only thing that gives me joy is making wooden kids stools out of recycled timber and donating them to op-shops. Your daughter sounds very insightful. Moreso than most therapists I've seen.

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therising — Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:03:51 GMT

Hi David

I've found waking up to how deeply I can feel what's stressful, depressing, enraging etc has meant having to manage that in a lot of strategic ways. One of the ways involves exactly what you mention - not tuning into the news. If we can't see it or hear it, we can't feel it. Yes, a lot of people tend to question our lack of interest in the news and not in very nice ways at times. Whether that's in the form of 'Why do you choose to be ignorant?' or 'Don't you realise you need to know what's going on in the world?' or 'Why don't you care?', there are a lot of ways such a choice can be questioned. I think finding valid answers to those questions can lead us to feel better about such a choice. 'I choose to ignore that which is designed to trigger me to fear and sadness', 'I choose to only know of what concerns me in constructive ways' and 'I care to hear and see the kinds of things I can do something about, not the things that leave me feeling helpless and hopeless'. I have people who will filter the new for me.

I really find people questionable at times, they way they can leave us to manage periods in depression or anxiety alone. At times, it can be something along the lines of 'How are you going?'. Our response may be 'I'm not doing so well today. I can feel myself becoming depressed'. When their response is 'Oh, that's terrible. It really upsets me to hear that. I really care about how you feel' and then they change the subject to something that leads them to feel happier (based on our upset upsetting them), it's like 'What the heck?'. When we're the kind of person who hears about someone's upset and reaches out to them with a 'Do you know why you feel the way you do?' or a 'Let's get to the bottom of this, together', anything less than that has gotta be questioned because that's what people deserve in my opinion (if we're in the right frame of mind to help them at the time). No one should be left to feel depressed or anxious on their own.

In my mind, anyone who can work so well in crafting wood has a true gift. It's a beautiful gift, one of creativity and imagination. To give to others that which comes from nature, creativity, imagination and love is a soulful thing. You have such a beautiful soulful gift. You've just inspired me to consider a craft I can share. Thank you.

Both my kids are intuitive with sage like abilities at times. They're brilliant guides in my life on occasion. Was saying to my 17yo son just the other week 'I have no idea why I feel so horrible these days. I need to know'. Off he went into his day dreamy state, to pull the solution from out of the blue. He came back down to earth with one word, 'Hangover'. While I'm not a drinker, it still made sense. How poorly I treated myself the day before or in the days before, will have a hangover effect. A lack of hydration, poor choices in food, a lack of exercise and/or adventure and inspiration etc - a lack of all the good stuff and too much of the bad stuff has a hangover effect we can really feel as we get older.

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geoff — Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:56:12 GMT

Hello David, it isdifficult when other people don't know how work you have put into helping your mum.

I am a leukemia patient and my son is my carer, while the other one lives a few hours away, but we talk regularly, however I care more for them than I do for myself, because what they do which helps me so much in many different ways.

The situation must go both ways and it's only up to you to feel better when you are able to and not told by someone that 'I hope you get better before she passes', that's unrealisitic and it's not approaching the situation with maturity.

Geoff.

Life Member.

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indigo22 — Sun, 11 Jun 2023 03:27:19 GMT

Hi David35,

I am in my 60s now and live on DSP because of the trauma I went through with both parents and a brother dying of cancer so I totally get it. I also did all the doctor and hospital appointments with both parents and took my brother to his first chemo visits until his children where able to help. I spent 10 years of my life on call, I never turned my phone off and had it beside my bed when I went to sleep. My mother was the most unreasonable one and we got into escalated discussions on many occasions also. My biggest mental note to myself was not to have any regrets and I put aside all that had happened with each of them and gave them the love and care that they needed despite the fact that they had not done the same for me in the past. It all took its toll and now I become overwhelmed if there are more than a couple of things that need my attention. I felt completely broken when they were all gone and the stress that I had been under was the reason I ended up with cancer myself. I am cancer free now but I definitely had to rethink things in order to take better care of myself. Are you getting any respite at all from the situation you are in? Do you have other siblings? If your mum is better at the moment, could you arrange for someone else to stay with her for a weekend and give yourself some time out. Or alternatively, arrange respite for you and your mum on a regular basis. You sound like you are getting close to a breaking point and right now you need to look after yourself every bit as much as you have looked after your mother. I am following this post and I am more than happy to talk this through with you further if you need to.

Sending you some extra strength to keep you going,

indigo22

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David35 — Sun, 11 Jun 2023 10:33:21 GMT

Yeah sometimes mum forgets how much of a toll her cancer treatment, diagnosis and general lack of support from my brother has take on me. The problem is that we're both in the same boat each blaming the other for the situation we're in. Her confronting me with not being better quicker enough makes me angry, because I'm coping the best way I know how. Especially considering my dad passed away 7 years ago to cancer. I didn't really look forward to mum passing too. Thankfully, they got it early, but the trauma has stuck with me and is something I'm still dealing with. Unfortunately, my "lack of progress" seems to upset mum now. Comments like "It's almost every day now you have panic attacks" I've written letters, poetry even to help explain the helplessness I still feel at times. But it all comes back to how my situation upsets her. Maybe it's because she's such a deep caring person. But who cares for the carer?

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David35 — Sun, 11 Jun 2023 10:47:06 GMT

The most stressful things in life are often those things out of your control. Because you want to change them but can't. You're made to feel helplesss.

They have this serentiy prayer in AA.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference

Most of the things on the news don't affect me (crime, corruption, accidents, even legislation, business cycles). About 1% might. And I also find a lot of media very alarmist, fear driven to get us to pay attention. I recently had an argument with my mum because I wasn't as sad as I should be about a train accident in India. Don't get me wrong, it's tragic. But I've had to learn to filter out the tragedies of this world because my family has had so many health problems (Both my parents had bowel cancer about 20 years ago, dad died from it 7 years ago, mum had it several years ago, both grandmothers died from it, etc.)

A lot of society treat it as a contagious disease, that's why they emotionally distance themselves from you. Despite telling a cousin of mine the other day that I had accumulated trauma as a result of mum's cancer, going back to dad's, her reply was to just write down some things to be grateful for. Really? Why hadn't I thought of that. Something so simple can solve such a complex thing as trauma and all its hidden triggers. Just astounding the level of ignorance there is in society, often from well-meaning people. The trauma has nothing to do with me being ungrateful. It was to do with the fear of losing my last parent.

Working with timber can be relaxing or frustrating, depending on how far you stretch yourself.

I also agree with you about soul food. If we don't fill our hearts and souls with the good stuff, it will get filled with the negative stuff (the media, doubts, worry, financial crises, etc.). That's why I often donate some of my things to local op-shops. I think well there's no point feeling sad about the cost of living crisis. Why not try and do something about it by gifting people something (I know it's a drop in the ocean), to try and make a difference. It channels that concern into something useful.

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David35 — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:23:10 GMT

I have a brother who has a busy life (wife and 3 kids) but he turned his back on us when mum got cancer. He's completely useless with regards to emotional support. Same goes for his wife. She used to have a good relationship with mum which came to an abrupt end once mum got cancer. She's in the clear now but the relationships have been permanently scarred. They do the bare minimum to ensure they're not cut out the will and we try and do the right thing so we can still see the kids.

As for mum, every night is an argument. In the past I maybe could have listened to her more, but lately, it gets very challenging with her ranting and raving about every single issue on the news. My mum is very socially isolated. She has books, a few relatives she talks to on the phone, and her books. I can't disagree with her, because she takes it personally. Everything is a crisis. She blames me for all it all, the breakdown in our relationship but won't get any help for her own depressions/anxiety. I'm seeing therapist every few weeks to keep my head above water. At the mere mention to her and she verbally ripped my head off. She's been very hurt by the abandonment of good friends and her eldest son. Unfortunately she takes it out on me. She has some good days. But I feel more like a social care worker rather than a son and it's sad. I've reached breaking point twice in the past. She talks about doing herself in occasionally, which is stressful in itself. But won't seek help. I'm looking into joining a local carer's group to see if that helps me.

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Eagle Ray — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 09:54:11 GMT

Dear David,

I’m so sorry for everything you’re having to deal with. I cared for my Mum also and lived with her over the last 11 months of her life. The dynamics you describe are quite similar to what I experienced. My Mum would attack me also. She was actually most upset with my brother, who did nothing to provide support, but Mum took her deep hurt and frustration out on me. She wouldn’t ever put that stuff on my brother. I know how much that hurts when you are the one providing care.

I know you asked above about who cares for the carer? What I learned is that basically there may be no one to care for you, so you have to become your own carer. So I think it’s great you are looking into a carer’s group. Anything to get you into a different interpersonal dynamic for a while away from your Mum.

I think too once you keep initiating self-care for yourself it can shift things potentially with your Mum. It kind of sets an example and may encourage her to think a bit more responsibly about managing herself a bit better. It can be easy to get into an enmeshment with a parent where they think their happiness depends on you, and you are trying to make them happy, but it just ends up a co-dependent mess. So the best thing can be to psychically separate and start living more components of your life just for yourself, not to make your Mum happy or tick any boxes/expectations she might have.

My Mum also would not get help for her anxiety and depression. She was too scared of having her feelings and emotions probed into. I think it’s important to realise you can’t rescue your Mum. The greatest gift you can really give is living your own life, for yourself. I’m now experiencing major health difficulties after a lifetime now of busting a gut to look after my mother and others. I’m learning that prioritising yourself is not a luxury and is not selfish. It is absolutely essential for life itself.

So see if you can let go of obligations and expectations she tries to put onto you. You may well find your relationship with her improves somewhat if you assert your needs more and live more for yourself. You can still care for your Mum, but it’s finding a healthy boundary which can be challenging if living under the same roof.

Take care and reach for the things in life that bring you happiness and see if you can connect with some others too, which can help break up some of the dysfunctional energy you’ve been getting in your relationship with your Mum. Sending you peace and best wishes.

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David35 — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 10:22:56 GMT

Thanks. Same as my situation almost word for word. All her happiness is dependent on me. And now she's even taken to undermining my own mental health care rehab (seeing pscyh). "They're not doing any good". "You need to see a psychiatrist". If I set boundaries, she starts mocking me. Its relentless.

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David35 — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 11:37:56 GMT

I spoke to my brother tonight to get some perspective. So I'll have to amend that. He was very supportive tonight. Sometimes it's hard to see things from an accurate perspective when you're stuck in the situation.

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Eagle Ray — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 12:36:17 GMT

Hi David,

Yes, it’s rarely in black and white. My brother was no help with Mum and at times has been hurtful in his behaviour, but other times has tried to be supportive in his own way. Relationships with family can be complex and, yes, when stuck in a situation it can be hard to get perspective.

Your Mum’s response about therapy sounds familiar. The first time I went to a therapist and eventually disclosed it to my mother, her response in an abrupt, annoyed voice was, “I’ve been trying to help you all your life.” She had been emotionally absent my whole life and cast me as her parent/confidant/support person from when I was 5 years old. So she was deflecting from her own fears, inability to cope etc.

It feels like you could do with a break, so getting out and meeting others such as through a carer’s group or other interests could be really good. Have you even thought of maybe taking a few days holiday, if your Mum doesn’t have imminent care needs (and even if she does find some care help for that time)? Even a few days away can be a great circuit breaker, put things in perspective, and enable you to approach things freshly upon return.

If your Mum is mocking you when you try to set boundaries, you might have to develop a calm but firm response where you are assertive in letting her know that’s not ok or just walk away. That may still make her crazy, but sometimes you have to leave them in that state and separate off into your own safe space.

I knew my Mum’s behaviour stemmed from severe childhood trauma, so I think that’s why I was as tolerant as I was. Perhaps it’s a similar situation for you? I did one day manage to point out to her, in a nice way, she was projecting her past trauma into her present interactions. This led to her screaming at me… but, a few days later she rang and said she knew she sometimes said things that weren’t helpful and somewhat owned her behaviour. That was a first. So directly addressing what’s going on can sometimes help (even though the other person might explode initially which can be distressing).

I found retaining compassion for her made a difference and it’s why I have some good memories now. It’s the good memories that sustain me now, such as taking her to see a movie we both enjoyed and connected with. But there are many instances where I needed to have put a strong boundary with her going back a long way. If you’ve been walking on eggshells with your Mum since childhood it can be an ingrained pattern where you continue to fear her reactivity in the present. I don’t know if that’s the pattern for you, but in any case it could be really good to work on boundaries in therapy so it might be a bit easier to set them with your Mum. Also, just forming contacts with other people often helps you get stronger in yourself so you can manage challenging family members more easily.

I’m glad you had the positive chat with your brother. It makes you feel better doesn’t it, when you can talk to someone.

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indigo22 — Fri, 16 Jun 2023 05:54:01 GMT

Hi again David,

It seems that you Eagle Ray and I have had almost the identical experiences with our mothers, only difference is you are still in the thick of it. I have been dealing with dysthymia and major depression since my early teens but it was never acknowledged by my mother who also refused to get help for her own depression and was totally dependent on me to make her happy, but that was impossible with her. I felt like she would hold up a score card each day. One day it was "you are such a good daughter" the next day it was "why can't you be more patient". It was endless judgements on my actions. I lived with her for 8 years and I did have to set boundaries along the way and then I stuck to them. One thing you haven't mentioned is wether your mum has any dementia, this can be very challenging because in the early stages they are angry and frustrated. I had my mum accusing me of lying to her about some paperwork that needed to be done, I told her it was all under control but she said "I don't believe you". Sometimes there just is no winning in this situation, I had to pull away quite a bit to keep my sanity. I had my own space and my own TV. I have not watched the news or bought a newspaper ever in my adult life except when I had to listen to it because I was with someone else. I made that decision at a very young age when I watched my father get himself all riled up and angry about what was on the news. I remember thinking "why would you intentionally do that to yourself, why not watch something that makes you laugh".

One day I had a total emotional breakdown and I was inconsolable, she just watched and had no idea what to do. I had rung my counsellor and she arranged for a friend to come round to be with me. When he arrived I cried hysterically, and again she watched. After I had calmed down, I rang my new doctor and he arranged a prescription for a different type of anti-depressant than I had had previously been and sent to the local chemist. I walked to the front door with my friend to go to the chemist, my eyes puffed up so much I could barely see out of them and said to mum "I am just going out for a short while" and her response was "if you are going anywhere near a post office, can you get me some stamps?" Clearly, what I had just been through had left no impression whatsoever and it was still all about her.

Eagle Ray is right, sometimes you just have to walk away and let them rant to themselves if they refuse to listen. And you also need to make it clear to her how much damage she is doing to your relationship with her ridiculing you and your health condition, it would be like you ridiculing her for having cancer.

The other thing to keep in mind is that unfortunately they will take it out on the one that they know is safe to take it out on, knowing you will not abandon them (even though I wanted to several times, I didn't).

You said your mum likes books. As a suggestion, could you check to see if there are any book clubs in the area that meet regularly, or even online if she has any computer skills. The other suggestion is that the local council should have an activity group for seniors, they usually meet once a week (maybe at the library or similar) and have activities such as crafts (knitting, crochet, etc.) or other activities depending on the interests of those who attend. This is definitely worth looking into, at least I got my mum to go to that and sometimes they even have a pick up and drop off service.

Then, as Eagle Ray said, it's time to look into things that will make life better for you and give you two some space regularly. It is so important that you take care of you right now.

Hang in there,

indigo22

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David35 — Fri, 16 Jun 2023 07:03:45 GMT

I think a lot of mum's insecurities come from her childhood. Her and her mum left her dad at a young age and consequently she had a mental breakdown, which to this day I don't she's ever got over. My grandfather was affected by WW2 up in Darwin and never came back the same. She tends to bring it up when she's been drinking. So in a way I think she's scared of losing me. I've tried mentioning counselling but she's old school where she tends to lean on everyone around her, rather than deal with her own emotional past traumas with a therapist. I spoke to her today and told her that there are certain things which are upsetting me lately and that I need some mental space. I don't think she understood but seemed to respect it.

I've got in contact with a carer support group. I got all the info today and am waiting on hearing how to join one of the support groups. The demands can get a bit much. She tends to obsess a lot about appointments, medical stuff, as everything is life or death. But it ain't.

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David35 — Fri, 16 Jun 2023 07:09:17 GMT

Everything you say rings true. My mum yells and screams at the TV, particularly politics. I've said the same thing. If you don't want to watch it, switch it off. But it's like her relationship with alcohol. She says she enjoys a drink, even though she can get a bit nasty with it sometimes. I also experience the same ups and downs. One minute I'm perfect, next minute, I'm not recovering from past trauma quick enough. It gets tiring not knowing which way the wind will blow form one day to the next. I've tried mentioning groups but she's not interested.

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David35 — Fri, 16 Jun 2023 07:12:56 GMT

By the way, I get the same response from mum after counselling. She asks what we talked about. And then it's "Well I could have told you that. You didn't need to pay for that advice. ".

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Eagle Ray — Fri, 16 Jun 2023 09:12:27 GMT

Hi David and indigo22,

It sounds like we all have/had some similarities with our mothers. David, I’m glad you’ve got the info on the support group. The turning of things into life or death I remember well. It’s a kind of hypervigilance that is activated even by smallest, everyday things. I found the best thing I could do was remain calm by example, but I know it’s hard when you have a panicking parent.

Indigo, your description of your mother not being able to be there for you emotionally when you most needed her rang so true for me. I felt the pain you described. I spent countless hours caring for Mum through so much, including during and after hospital stays, listening to her worries, calming her distress etc. But she could not be there for me at all through my struggles. I remember being in hospital for investigative surgeries. She could not be there for me before, during or after. If I dared express vulnerability in the hope of some care or understanding I’d be attacked. I learned to cope alone with everything.

I feel for you David still living with challenges with your Mum now. I think not taking it personally is important, as it sounds like she is reacting out of her own pain which is not about you. But as you are proximate to her and have been tolerant, you easily become the sponge taking her emotional drama and projections. It’s so important to create a different reality for yourself so you are not a sponge, because I speak from experience that it really damages your health and wellbeing over time.

I say go out and live your life as much as you can for you. I think often that’s what a dysfunctional parent actually wants you to do, but the dark side of them linked to their traumatised past leads them to try and sabotage that at the same time. I think that’s often not even conscious on their part because it is part of themselves that is split off and acting outside awareness. But ultimately I’m sure the core nature of your Mum actually wants you to be happy. Mine once said, “Do as I say, don’t do as I do”. It was like an acknowledgement she could not set an example for me of how to live a peaceful, happy life, but wanted that for me anyway. Mine would drink too, to drown the emotions in herself she couldn’t tolerate.

The more you take responsibility for your own life and set yourself free from unhealthy entanglements with your Mum the easier it will get. And I think it’s something you can do calmly and wisely without drama. Even if she gets dramatic, the more you are just following your own life and creating your own reality, the more likely your Mum will start shifting somewhat in herself. It’s like handing back the responsibility to her which is hers, while you get to live your own life.

Take good care.

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David35 — Fri, 16 Jun 2023 09:35:43 GMT

You all obviously speak from experience. She's been encouraging me to pursue my woodworking. She wants me to be happy. I sat down today and said about the things she said which hurts me (the attack on my mental health treatment, lack of progress, etc) and she apologised. Both eagle ray and indigo have had your fair share of turmoil and unhealthy relationships. I think mum is still learning how to be a widow, without lashing out. And I'm still learning how to cope without a dad. The thing is after all the fallout, if she talks and I listen, instead of overreact, I can help her get rid of some of her pain. It's not easy but with some valuable insight from you both its helped give me some perspective.

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Eagle Ray — Fri, 16 Jun 2023 10:22:41 GMT

Dear David,

Yes, I imagine you and your Mum are still going through a fair bit of grief which would make you both vulnerable.

It’s so lovely of you to want to be there for your Mum. And it’s lovely she’s encouraging you with your woodworking. I think the ideal is an adult to adult relationship where neither is trying to parent the other. Even though things deteriorated in my Mum’s final year for a variety of reasons, in the several years prior I remember the lovely conversations I had with her. I’d often call her when out on a walk and tell her what I was seeing, and we’d talk about life, the universe and everything. It was two adults connecting then. So I think it is possible. But when there are stressors like you’ve had with illness in the family, the fracture lines can start to show. But it can heal over. So I hope you can go forward and create some beautiful memories with your Mum. When there is good intent on both sides you have something lovely to work with.