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Accepting disability

Eagle Ray — Wed, 03 May 2023 12:09:10 GMT

Hi, today I’ve realised I may need to apply for the disability support pension. I’m with a disability employment agency and they recommended it today and my psychologist last week. On good days I can go for walks and do a few things at home. Other days I’m struggling to function to do basic tasks. Today I could not even get my car key in the lock because I was so unwell and had to lie in a park for sometime before driving home to my town, realising I wasn’t safe to drive until I rested.

I’ve had a chronic pain and fatigue condition for 35 years. I’ve pushed through periods of extreme pain on slow release synthetic opioid meds in order to be able to work. More recently I’ve developed an autoimmune liver disease. It somewhat stabilised with the right treatment in recent months, but can progress to liver failure if it worsens and so I have to manage it with care. I have complex ptsd, anxiety and depression, the latter made worse by recent steep changes in hormone levels from perimenopause. I’ve always pushed through in the past, but I feel I am spent and my body is screaming at me it can’t keep going as it has.

But I feel a sense of grief, a loss of who I wanted to be and hoped for in life. I had a creative business idea but despite being technically capable I’ve realised I’m unlikely to be able to run a business in any great capacity. Accepting my limitations is hard and I think I just have to write that down here.

I may not even qualify for the DSP as it’s so hard to get it now, yet I’m being encouraged to do it. My future feels so uncertain. I want to feel independent and capable. I don’t like accepting my limitations and it’s hard not to feel depressed. Not sure if anyone can relate but just needed to tell someone how I feel. Living alone I only have myself to keep myself going and it can be a real struggle at times. There is no one to help me on days when I’m incapacitated and in extreme pain. I was a carer for years also and that has also burnt me out. I am spent.

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David35 — Wed, 03 May 2023 13:03:42 GMT

I feel for you. I'm on the DSP as a result of an acquired brain injury many years ago. It's true. There is a sense of loss of your old identity. I was only talking about my situation to a charity worker yesterday and felt down for the remainder of the day. I'm a qualified engineer and never really got a chance to pursue my chosen profession. I've had to look into other sources of joy, namely hobby woodworking, to keep me sane.

I would encourage you to apply for the DSP. It may help financially. I was reluctant to because of the stigma, but that soon wears off.

I know it's a cloche, but the only thing harder than having the courage to chase a dream, is to give up on one. That's not a defeatist attitude; it's just accepting reality. I used to have a dream of running a woodworking business or a men's shed, but due to my own limitations realise that's not viable. Now I just keep it as a hobby and get more enjoyment out of donating my items or making them for neighbours.

Its hard to know when to push through pain, fear, uncertainty and when to relax and look after yourself. Only you will know.

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Eagle Ray — Wed, 03 May 2023 14:41:04 GMT

Thank you kindly David. I’m sorry for what you’ve had to go through. It would have been hard knowing you are a qualified engineer and knowing you are not able to professionally pursue that. But it’s great you have your woodworking and lovely that you get enjoyment from donating what you create and making items for neighbours.

I’m university educated also but unlikely it seems to hold a professional job in my field. The jobs I have been looking at, and for that matter the ones I’ve done previously, have been mostly entry level. Work has always been such a struggle and when I tried full time I just had to give it up again because I became too unwell and was on the verge of collapse.

My business idea was connected to photography. But I think that probably will be a hobby, but maybe one I can occasionally get paid something for here and there. But doing it at my own pace when I am able. I would so love to be able to manifest a business but starting to realise I may have to do things in a much smaller way.

You are right, I will know listening in to myself whether I can push through or need to let go of pushing through. My lifelong pattern as been to persevere no matter what, but I’m getting very strong signals from my body that that is no longer viable.

I hope you feel better since yesterday. I think I too became depressed today after talking to the people at the employment agency because I was forced to confront my limitations. I was struggling to even speak today. But tomorrow is a new day and I think I need to go slow and gently.

Thanks again and all the best.

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David35 — Thu, 04 May 2023 11:36:06 GMT

One thing I found after being put on DSP, and this doesn't necessarily apply to you but it might, is that it took the pressure off me requiring to look for engineering jobs. It was like I could back the car out of this dead end in life and find another road in life to pursue. The problem is that when you've invested such a long time at uni, it's a bitter pill to swallow, especially if you were so certain that it would bring enjoyment and financial security later on.

I've tried selling things on-line. The key is to find something that keeps you connected to society. Centrelink give you money, but they don't give you a purpose or an identity. That's something I still struggle with each day. But if I give back in some small way (with my time and skills), then it makes me feel worthwhile. Others may not understand it, because I don't make a profit, but it's about creating a sense of self worth. That's the part that is easily stripped away in our society when you become unemployed, because society tends to "blame" you for it. There is very little compassion for those less fortunate, who simply don't have the opportunities or the good health that many others take for granted. So I would try to start small and see how you go. My motto is, "Nothing ventured, nothing gained".

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Eagle Ray — Thu, 04 May 2023 10:31:07 GMT

Thanks David. Yes, I think I’m experiencing a sense of loss about my years of effort into study that I’ve not been able to translate into work that is both meaningfully and financially rewarding. I sometimes think of those mandala sand paintings Tibetan monks spend many hours carefully making, and at the end they tip them back into nature. I try to look at it philosophically that way - that I’ve learned much and been enriched by that, even if I have nothing to outwardly show for it that society recognises as something of value.

I totally agree about keeping connected to society. I know that’s essential for me. I’ve previously worked as a teacher assistant and was thinking of going back to it, but not sure with my health if I can do that except for a few hours at most. But there are volunteer programs to help kids with reading, and that feels like something I could start doing one or two hours a week. I would feel useful and meaningful and connected to my local community.

I agree, society can often lack compassion for those unable to work according to ideas of what a normal life is supposed to look like. Peoples can also judge you when you look ok and able-bodied on the outside, but have no idea of your inner world and the struggles you’ve been through.

And, yes, starting small is a good idea. I have an idealistic mind and spirit that wants to do so much, but having to accept that I can only take small steps at a time. Thanks again for your kind support.

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David35 — Thu, 04 May 2023 11:46:16 GMT

I agree that it can feel very hollow to not be able to reap the rewards from all your efforts. It's something I struggle with, especially if I make the mistake of going on-line and comparing my life to old uni mates who now have thriving careers. But they haven't the struggles I've had to face in life since my accident, so it's not a fair comparison.

One of the problems with mental illness is that because people can't see the problem, they don't believe it exists. Or if they do, they tend to trivialise and label you as a victim. I've had it in my own family.

There are homework clubs run by the Smith Family but they are hit or miss as to whether the one you fall into that is any good. I personally found the kids treat it more as a creche. Sometimes the local council has volunteer programs for tutoring migrants.

At the end of the day, you can't reason with ignorance. People will only ever see things from their own points of view, however limited that may be, unless they really know you.

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mmMekitty — Thu, 04 May 2023 12:42:22 GMT

Hello ER & David

I've enjoyed reading your conversation. Really good for me as someone who has been on DSP for decades, with the last twenty years on DSP - Blind.

While talking to my Psychiatrist, (PDr), he has noticed how I have refererred to losses, losses of ability, which means I notice limits on what I can do. Part of the problem is that we can notice changes, differences between what we once were & how we are now.

These ongoing losses, as my eyesight has continuously deteriorated, are things we may grieve, maybe subtly or maybe something major, like it is for some when they have to give up their driver's license. That one doesn't apply to me.

What does apply is that I had a strong desire to be independent, but seems now, I have to accept being less independent, relying on support workers. NDIS funding too.

I realise I have always depended on support workers on Gov support, since I was a teenager, soon to leave home.

Lately it hasn't been easy, thinking about my housing & if I am able to live as independently as I still want to. I'm feeling more vulnerable & my anxiety has been heightened alongside my own sense that I am not sure I can rely on myself to keep myself on track & safe.

I think, both of you have had to adjust your thinking about what you can expect, anticipate & plan for in your lives. It's like being thrown off one road into another , which is at right angles to the one you were on. That would rattle anyone.

David, I wonder, would you still consider joining a mens' shed? I'm sure your skills with wood working would be welcome. as would your friendship.

& ER, I miss my photography so much - I still try using my iPhone, but it's not the same. I can't spot the birds, or neighhood cats like I used to. I do enjoy its auto focus.

Try to be kind & gentle to yourselves & remember, no one knows just what another has gone through without being in their heads.

Hugzies

mmMekitty

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David35 — Fri, 05 May 2023 04:07:10 GMT

Thanks for your insight. You've been through a lot, more than most should be burdened with in life.

I've belonged to men's sheds in the past. One for several years (2007 - 2010 roughly) and although I enjoyed it, it was very limiting in what I could make and do there. I since went out on my own and made wooden kids' furniture for about 8 years in my own garage which I got more enjoyment out of, particularly because you see the customers' reactions. I took a few years off with back problems. It's only recently I've got back into at home. I tried joining a local one, but the typical male egos get resentful if a newcomer knows more about something than they do, even if you're helping them. Males can be very territorial and it destroyed my confidence in the concept of fellowship. I'm happier just doing my own thing. I've recently made some bar stools for a local Chinese takeaway restaurant and the owner seems very happy. Even though I make a bit of a loss, at least I'm allowed to do things properly and take pride in my work. There's a lot of peer group pressure in mens' sheds; one mistake and they can humiliate you. At home, I make plenty of mistakes. The difference is that I don't care. I learn from it, move on and make a better product next time. I don't let my mistakes out the door to trusting customers, that's my motto.

The uncertainty of the future is a challenge to deal with. The hard part is having people around you who understand your situation and will help you. I have a brother who couldn't care less about my situation. I'm officially in the "too-hard basket"! But that's life. There's some saying I read "Why do you care so much about the opinions of people who care so little about you?"

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Eagle Ray — Fri, 05 May 2023 10:00:04 GMT

Hi David and MK,

David, I know what you mean about seeing mates go on with successful careers. I’ve seen the same, but I sometimes reflect that my slower pace of life gives me a chance to connect to nature and be aware of small things they are too busy to stop and enjoy. I am forced to stop, but it opens me up to simpler things. It may be that some of your uni mates would love to do what you do with woodworking, to take that time in craftsmanship, but it’s beyond their schedule. So you may be less well off financially but rich in other ways. I’m sorry that the men’s sheds aren’t supportive in the way they’re meant to work in theory, but glad you have found your own way to take pride in your work. I know what you mean about family. My brother is not attuned to what I live through and I know is unlikely to ever be.

MK, I can only try to imagine what it must be like losing vision over time. Given my love of photography I’d find it hard. I think I’d return to music which was very important to me in the past. I used to write my own songs. I get the sense from what you’ve written elsewhere that you love music. I hope you can keep connected to those things you find meaningful which can be like anchors when other things feel uncertain. I hope you can navigate a way forward where you retain a sense of independence while getting the help you need.

My struggle right now is major loss of breath and stiffening of my lungs. It completely eased a few months ago but has returned. As well as liver fibrosis the disease can cause lung fibrosis. In the past two years I’ve really confronted my mortality. Literally, in order to survive, I have no option but to go slowly and gently now. I actually don’t know if I’m going to outlive this disease or it’s going to get the better of me, but a light in me is trying to stay on and guide me forwards. I try to make the most of the small things I can enjoy.

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David35 — Fri, 05 May 2023 11:48:54 GMT

Thank you for your kind words. I feel like I'm already retired and doing what someone in their 60s usually is. So maybe there's a silver lining, I don't have to wait so long to enjoy certain aspects of life.

Your illness sounds akin to cystic fibrosis. I've only seen glimpses of its awful effects on my nephew so I can't possibly comprehend what you've been through. Let's hope they can come up with some drug or other treatment. Is there anything in the medical pipeline?

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mmMekitty — Fri, 05 May 2023 12:52:45 GMT

Hi David,

I'm sorry & disappointed that the Men's Shed were not supportive & encouraging, fostering friendships & such, as I had thought that was precisely what they were originally formed to do for the men who participate in them.

It has been one thing I had to learn to do, to understand people have their opinions & we do not have to agree or share in them, take on in any way at all what someone else things of us, particularly people who we don't look up to or wish to be like.

When I was young, I was like a sponge, soaking up all the opinions of others & not knowing who I was at all. I'm still, several decades later, not sure who I am. How much of how I feel about myself is still related to what someone else thought.

ER, I think when I was young, I could not really comprehend mortality, even thoughts were quite bleak & I could not see a future for me. Now I am older, it seems to me, I can apprehend my future, my mortality too. Having the diagnosis of breast cancer late 2021 & the double mastectomy early 2022, & specialists emphasising to me that I need to lose weight, get healthier too, because if I don't another cancer developing is more likely. No, I don't want that.

Over the years I've been with my PDr he has helped me understand I need to be the one who cares for me, as I am my own responsibility & the one who suffers if I don't. & I have been feeling better about myself, & I do care more.

That's helped me to push on & begin looking after myself, changing my diet, doing exercise, learning to set my own boundaries, realising when some things are not good for me, not helpful, & that I need to make more effort to speak up, to look for options & solutions to problems I have. I'm also thinking more about just was is important to me, for now & into my future.

We are confronted & we grow.

However, I do get stuck in how much I've lost, not only sight related. That's not helpful, I know.

Getting out into nature as you do seems like a wonderful way to find peace & pleasure, to see some of nature's wonders. Taking your time, whether you MUST or not, surely contributes to your enjoyment - being in the moment, I guess. It sounds so good.

My tinnitus is annoying, but I still appreciate music.

Hugzies

mmMekitty

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Guest_1055 — Fri, 05 May 2023 13:30:10 GMT

Hi Eagle Ray, I really do not know what to say. But my heart goes out to you and I am listening.

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Eagle Ray — Fri, 05 May 2023 14:03:03 GMT

Hi David and MK,

David I don’t have lung disease that I’m aware of at this point but the liver disease which was starting to progress into fibrosis has an association with interstitial lung disease, lung fibrosis and other lung conditions. At various points over the last couple of years my lungs have significantly stiffened and it’s hard to breathe. I’m like that now but had had a good break from it for a few months. My liver was also reversing out of inflammation and fibrosis. I had a comprehensive blood test today which should give some idea of the liver. The standard med I’m on wasn’t working until I worked with a naturopath to correct gut dysbiosis, then my liver readings actually normalised. So something has just gone askew again. At times it feels like my body’s just had enough. A lot of it is linked to trauma as well. It’s like a force bigger than me is trying to take me out. Somatic work with my psychologist cleared the lung stiffness before and it really felt like that turned around a disease process. I’m going to do more somatic work with her in a week’s time which may shift the crushing sensations in my lungs and respiratory tract.

MK, I’m sorry you went through the breast cancer and double mastectomy. I’m glad you’ve found ways to self-care. Yes, I think when we’re young mortality is not something we really grasp. In recent years I’ve watched people close to me die and in some cases been with them at the time of death. It has actually taken the fear out of death itself for me because I could see that the body actually knows how to die. I’ve had intense grief in relation to my mother’s death because she literally died from a broken heart, but even her body knew what it was doing. I’m more worried about living with relentless physical suffering which has been lifelong than I am about dying. I’m exhausted. But seeing things like the beautiful moon or birds and animals or listening to music that resonates etc, those things keep me going, plus meaningful human contact. A friend visited today and it meant so much as she had real empathy and kindness.

Hugs, ER

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Eagle Ray — Fri, 05 May 2023 14:38:02 GMT

Hi Shell, just seeing your message now. I am ok. You help me just by being kind and caring. I’ve just relapsed with my health and it’s like my body has gone into overwhelm. It’s just so unpleasant in my lungs and I’m very weak. But I came back from this before so I need to trust I can do it again. If anything I think it’s my body’s way of telling me I can’t necessarily do the things I wanted to believe I could and I have to set my expectations lower. I’m realising I really do need to apply for the disability support pension. I need to give my body the best chance of taking things slowly and actually healing instead of degenerating. I’m grateful for this forum and thanks for listening as I normally live with these things alone. My friend who visited today didn’t know really what I’ve been dealing with but I managed to talk to her also today. I think I’m just beginning to learn to tell people when I’m not ok, which I would never do in the past. I think struggling in isolation has significantly worsened health issues. We are actually not meant to struggle alone. I patted a little dog near where I had a blood test this morning and even that helped. So thank you everyone for your kind thoughtfulness.

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Croix — Fri, 12 May 2023 11:29:34 GMT

Dear David (please excuse me butting in ER)

The Mens' Sher organisation has a specific purpose that does not sound as if it exaclt aligns wiht oyur needs (though I have to admit it does well wiht some others)

There is another organization called The Mens Table, which might be worth contacting as they look for long term relationships over an informal meal. They are designed to be a mutual support in a way like this forum, and give you a chance to have a look at how they work in a trial meal with a leader. Conversations can be interesting and far ranging.

I realise mobility might be an issue for you (it certainly is for me) however you never know, the more you try things the more chance of something clicking.

ER, is htere any chance you can resume writing or playing music? When I've been in thrift shops I've seen quite elaborate keyboards just moldering in htere - no market I guess.

So what sort of music do you prefer?

Croix

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Eagle Ray — Fri, 12 May 2023 13:05:02 GMT

Dear Croix,

I think I can honestly say that I have a love of almost all genres of music. I have always been really interested in music from many different cultures and what sometimes gets called world music. I’ve been three times to the Womadelaide Festival in Adelaide which I thoroughly enjoyed. I love folk and roots music. While some really loose form jazz might not be my favourite thing, I love certain jazz such as Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue. I learned classical guitar as a child and teenager. I like classical music but especially the Renaissance and Baroque periods (e.g. I prefer Bach and Vivaldi to later classical). I love storytelling songwriters. I’ve actually connected with a lot of Bruce Springsteen’s songs which have so mirrored struggles in my own life. I’ve seen him live 4 times! I could name many of his songs that are medicinal to me. Most recently I’ve been listening to Evanescence who are a gothic metal band with symphonic overtones from their classically trained singer Amy Lee. I love music that is uplifting. I love a lot of 80s music (Cyndi Lauper, Nik Kershaw etc). I love idealistic music. I love music that comes from the heart and soul. I love soul and gospel music. Country blues is another favourite. As you can see, it just goes on and on.

I actually have a much neglected keyboard and guitar, and even a violin I tried to teach myself which I was actually doing ok on but the bow now needs repair.

Basically I went through a trauma in 2010 that damaged the part of me that had been songwriting for about 3 years at that point. I went from not being able to put my guitar down and singing all the time to not being able to play at all. Something in me broke and I still haven’t quite repaired it. If I could, I think it would be really healing. That’s what it was doing for me before. I was even performing my songs at open mic nights. It seems like another lifetime ago now. I might find a way back to playing music.

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David35 — Sat, 13 May 2023 10:20:36 GMT

Eagle Ray,

Sorry to hear. You've certainly been through a lot. I don't know what to say that could help. Life is so unfair.

meKitty,

Some are, some aren't. It all depends on the people who go there. I had a good experience about 13 years ago with one, but I've outgrown it a bit. I've found that putting too much self-worth in the hands of others can be really soul destroying. Especially if they are relatives. Sometimes people can have far too much to say about things they have neither experienced or know anything about. But it makes them feel good to share their ignorance with you and possibly insult.
After recovering from a traumatic brain injury back in early 2000's, I was unemployed for several years until I finally got on the DSP, around 2006 (I think). One day I was arguing with my brother and he just yelled "Get a job!". Although he apologised later to clear his conscience, the scar has always been there. Recently I entrusted him with some personal feelings during mum's cancer treatment and he mocked me for it. He was someone I used to look up to and turn to, but I've had to guard myself against criticism. After dad died, my cousin once said to me "Be careful who you share your heart with". It's so true.

I think it's normal to feel a sense of loss like you have. The hard part is accepting it. As much as society tells us to just "crack on", or "get over it" sometimes it helps to process our painful past. That's something I'm trying to work on. Accepting the past so I can look forward to the future.

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Croix — Sat, 13 May 2023 14:26:44 GMT

Dear ER~

I can see your problem and understand the depth of loss you had, however by the tone of your last post I'm wondering if that break is starting to improve. When you are ready If you'd like a pleasant challenge, vocal and or keyboard may I suggest Paolo Conte's Via con Me. It is interesting with its mix of languages and mostly cheerful. I'm told the chords and timing are quite simple. Mind you a recommendation from a walrus might require careful consideration.

It's also one of my favorites to cheer me up:)

Croix

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Eagle Ray — Sun, 14 May 2023 08:55:00 GMT

Hi David,

I just want to empathise with your situation with your brother. I have had what sounds like a similar situation with mine. A few times I tried to share my concerns and feelings about Mum’s cancer treatment as you did and got responses that were dismissive or judgemental. I’ve actually learned not to share my personal feelings with him. I still remember when I was working my guts out caring for Mum while trying to complete uni studies. I lived with her for the last 11 months of her life. It was extremely full on on a daily basis - changing wound dressings, helping her before and after her shower, driving to her medical appointments etc. Then there was the massive collapse in her already fragile mental health and I was trying to support her through that while my health was collapsing. My brother did not help or support us in any way. One day he came to visit and when he was leaving his words were, “Next time I visit I expect it to be spotless”, indicating the house was not up to his standards. I won’t write here what I now wish I’d said to him, but I’ve got to a point now where if he speaks to me like this, he is going to get a stern response.

In your case David you’ve sustained a traumatic brain injury which is a huge thing to go through and you have been through challenges and vulnerabilities it sounds like your brother isn’t appreciating (or at least not expressing understanding for - sometimes people care at some level but don’t express it). It often seems to be in these situations the other person has an issue of their own they’re not dealing with and instead of taking responsibility for it they have a go at someone else. Their statements are really a reflection of something messed up in their internal state, not a reflection on you or your worth as a person. You have the courage to work through painful things from the past and there is wisdom and strength in that. It’s possible that your brother lacks the same courage to face and work through emotions, and is deflecting that discomfort onto you.

I think the important thing is to stay in contact with empathic people you resonate with, people like your cousin who sounds wise in saying to be careful who you share your heart with. Keep being around the good energy that comes from the people who are kind and understanding. It’s so easy to be swamped by the hurtful things which I certainly experience, but there are such kind and lovely people out there too. All the best as you continue navigating your healing journey.

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Eagle Ray — Sun, 14 May 2023 09:18:50 GMT

Hello Croix,

I’ll always listen to recommendations from a walrus. I consider walruses to be very wise. I was looking at pictures of baby walruses and they already look wise because they have these whiskers that look like the moustache on an older gentleman. I can imagine them with spectacles smoking a pipe and reading a newspaper in a comfy lounge chair, pausing now and then to share a wise anecdote.

Thank you for sharing about the song Via con Me. I watched and listened to a YouTube clip of it which was quite delightful. It was paired very well with the wonderful dancing of Fred and Ginger.

I have had occasional impulses to pick up my guitar in recent times. That is something. It would take too much space to explain how the part of me that was expressing itself through music died back then. It’s like part of me got obliterated. So I’m now some other being trying to reform my sense of self and how I fit into the world. Interestingly I didn’t lose my connection with photography at the time and that became my solace and comfort. But even that I’ve hardly done in the past year, though it’s slowly coming back. There is no doubt I’ve become clinically depressed, so trying to crawl my way out.

I’m having to also deal with the odd comment from people, such as a couple of neighbours, judging me for not working. It often comes in the form of something like, “What do you do all day? It’s no use lying around doing nothing” or “I’d rather not be working”, implying I’m having a nice holiday compared with them. They have no idea about how I’ve spent years working extremely hard at multiple jobs nor the health challenges I’ve had. I try not to let it get me down but sometimes it does, and happened this afternoon actually. I don’t dare tell them I may be applying for the DSP. I’m already struggling with the feeling of loss for the working life I want to have. Sorry, feeling down right now, but I know things always look up again sooner or later. I’ll just think about cute baby walruses.