topic Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers in Depression

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

demonblaster — Sat, 18 Nov 2017 18:23:14 GMT

We're here to learn, sure of it. Have to for survival.

Like so many have lived in hell a mammoth amount of times.

I firmly believe collectively we can in majority of cases get on top of depression. We have to, too many die & suffer in unimaginable pain. It's wrong.

We're intelligent, capaple of thought. It has & CAN be done including coming back from the bottom.

A psychiatrist said to me when I said I'm going to beat it..." It can't be done".

I say maybe it hasn't been, but that doesn't mean it can't!

I'm Bipolar type 1 & 2 (now moreso) & yes its taken yrs but condensed not so long, so far (details later) have achieved pulling the extreme type 1 manias down to more controlled type 2 & anyone that experiences or knows the euphoria & complete unadulterated bliss, NO BODY on this Earth wouldnt want it. Its what people take drugs for, Pure happiness/confidence the list goes on ...

Point being, mammoth to let it go but achieved reduction, still amazing though.

I like thinking, am DETERMINED to get this crap, worse scenario under complete control which'd be a WIN!

In shorter time frame thanks to mania that opens or wakes the brain starting to make huge headway breaking through extremely deep depression.

I'm more than a rapid cycler (4 or more a year) I have 8-10 major cycles a year. Gotta get on top else it'll take me too

BP has by far more suicide than any other mental illness I recently read.

4 attempts in teens, contemplated a few & until recently it was an option.

Learning Emotional control

Our brains are possibly the least understood organ but what we do know is they're VERY POWERFUL. If we can understand depression from understanding we can learn. Growth.

Believing creates hope & determination

Sincerely sorry for your pain people.

We can get this

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demonblaster — Sun, 19 Nov 2017 05:33:02 GMT

This is about depression & how can we cope/win/worse scenario live with it. What I've learnt so far.

I welcome & encourage opinions & input, it's important

Imo (in my opinion) haven't researched depression much yet mostly insight, talking to people & here that depression's the base to most if not all MI & issues.

A reason it's thought but not conclusive yet is brain chemical disorder. I did read here meds can & do help the chemicals transmit (in a nutshell)

I'm tackling it from an emotional control method, so far definate progress. Exciting starting win! We have to, better to die happy, we get one go here

The beast "IT" (Starwolf-(C.Champion) is very powerful..so are we. (I see it as a separate identity)
It makes us see things in a negative way above all ourselves. It's purpose is to defeat us....WHY when EVERYONE WANTS PEACE & TO BE HAPPY!

Where there's weakness there's breakage. When we're vulnerable we're at our weakest.Maybe that's where the seeds start? It feeds on weakness.

Sleep lack of...we're at our weakest. IT'S most powerful tool. Devils playground.

It's like there's two brains (we have two halves) one good one bad.

Our inbuilt survival is our strength also Very powerful I think we're all born with instinctual survival as we grow it strengthens, if we trip we try to save ourselves, danger we try to protect automatically

Im positive we're here to learn. Theres a reason for everthing, for survival we need strength, we become stronger learning to fight these demons.

It's in us (most) We have the tools finding them (reasons why were down) & learning to use them (how can we fix,change/move past) Our strength

Thx listening bbl (be back later)

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demonblaster — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:34:56 GMT

If needed can search for Acronym thread ☺

Our strength over depression's in enough or more SLEEP.. how? Needs practice, repetition a great teacher

Relax. The mind sabotages with pain/stress. Let it. Research shows the brain needs to have the thoughts, but dont think anymore on it by thoughts of how relaxed/comfy/tired we are & all the pain & tension's leaving the body being absorbed into mattress. After every thought go back to that. Wasn't long till normal thoughts without torment started, that's when we fall asleep. Yesterday? after previous all nighter (mild mania) & few nights little or not near enough sleep, nanny nap, IT WORKED, can't tell ya how mammoth that is in mania. Worth a go.
Meditation ? Doesn't have to be complicated, again mind needs & will constantly bombard. As above redirect to your place. I made up my own couple of times. Non stimulating, gist is to be relaxed, peaceful warm. Maybe comfy chair on beach, hearing water & sun soothing. After every thought go back there. Maybe floating on water, (Mrs Dools 👍 (C.Champ) be aware of comfort & relaxation as often as you can. Many people find it helps to sleep & in awake times
Meds Great needed but can be hooky
Excercise. Excellent stress release burns off adrenalin & ? Chemicals the body produces in tiredness to lift us, unused creates stress I think also endorphins (happies) & the biggy it makes us tired. One problem though it also pumps us, maybe earlier better than later wise to ease into just baby steps otherwise easy to say bugger this. Takes pushing through but helps lot

I'm not by a long shot there yet, happies with breaking through. Maybe in time ideas techniques may change but for now if it's working aye

I welcome any thoughts,advise,ideas inputs great cause as said as a collective we can get this

Mant thanks in the hope somone's listening 😁😅😀🖑

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Mathy — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:26:11 GMT

Hi DB, I like what you’ve written so far. I would add another dot point:

Structure: Very important, particularly if anxiety is present as well. Also, very important in the early stages - that is, when you’re learning how to deal with depression/anxiety.

18 months ago, my work hours were radically changed and it’s thrown me into a bad loop. I had a life built around those working hours, and I was medication free.Changing my work hours meant I loss my daily structure - so not helpful, and it’s been very difficult to deal with.

Thoughts?

cheers M 🙂

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Peppermintbach — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:32:31 GMT

Hi DB, Mathy and all;

Sorry, I don’t really have anything to add. But I wanted to visit to lend my support 🙂

DB- this is a beautiful idea and I know it’s driven by your strong desire to help people. Kind soul you are...

Pepper xoxo

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demonblaster — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:52:43 GMT

Maths hi thanks so much for hopping in & what you said about structure valid 👍

We need it to move forward in our lives good point too about anxiety. Very true

Not disagreeing cause life flows easier with structure & routine, might sound contradictory here.

About routine I said to a workmate once

We need routine but it can create stress.

If routines same for a period of time then for many change causes anxiety & disruption as understandably in your case & having to rearrange & change whole life around

Personally I don't usually mind change I find it stimulating & refreshing. We're adaptable it's often said but it definately stirs people up it's easy with routine to become autonomous I thinks the word.

When the $1 coin came out I was working in a milk bar, people were very rattled but within probs couple mths they settled. Seen this numerous times since.

The again Maths for your time listening & good input ☺ xx

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demonblaster — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:59:26 GMT

Dear Peps same goes hun thx so much for jumping in really do appreciate both of your ongoing support (elsewhere too)

And for your kind words, yeah darl I really do wanna help people, this is just wrong, too many hurting & here's a big site yet small portion of people with pain.

If we don't believe it probably won't happen

Thankyou good people xx🤗🤗

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demonblaster — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:40:43 GMT

BELIEVING, opens our minds

Believing we can get better.

Maybe we can achieve without, but as the saying goes "Where there's a will..there's a way", they come from truth & wisdom imo

Sure some things can't be done but how do we know if we don't try first. Belief gives us a will, makes it a lot easier, opens our minds to possibilities & gives us drive. A reason to want to succeed.

If we want to do something as opposed to neutral or not wanting to we're more likely to try harder. Want & belief good combo.

If it can't be done one way, by looking for another way and so on. Open mind allows this thinking. Exhausting all possibilities but even then life's got an amazing way of throwing unexpected. Basically we need to never let hope & belief go. If it slides catch it, if it gets buried yip way harder but still doable. (Mostly)

We have the tools...finding them & learning to use. Thinking & looking inside.

Depression blocks our minds, Belief opens it.

In deep depression I agree, heard here best to just get through each day. Eventually we get sleep (strength.) GP said the body can only take so much then it has to sleep.Then baby steps. Too much gets overwhelming it's hard enough so first step Belief. Time's needed, reiterating, depression wants us not believing.

BELIEVING IN YOURSELF

Liking us... Imperative. Every breath is with ourselves. Self like gives us confidence, a shield, god knows we need that.

Someone here said "We don't have to believe it" Gold. The beasts job is to pull us down & damned good at it, wants us not liking ourselves to be more open to pain, its food.

Looking inside most people have goods, good people have a lot of. Thinking & finding.

So when "IT" says you're no good & you are we don't have to believe it.

Belief, depression hates it.We need it.

Thx listening ☺

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Mathy — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:53:18 GMT

Hey DB,

You’re BP, whereas I’m anxiety/depression/PTSD - 3 good things that often live together.

So Structure is just as much about having the same things happening at the same time, as also having the freedom to know when you have free time, so as to plan pleasant, growth type activities, or sleep if that’s what you need.

I work in retail, and I can be rostered to work anywhere between 5am - 11pm Mon - Fri, and 7am - 5pm Sat and Sun. Allowing random people to organise your life under those rules, when you have a MI, is a recipe for disaster, which is why structure has become important to me.

The idea of structure doesn’t negate the idea of free flowing, changing stuff. However, I do believe that until a person is in charge of their MI, structure is very important for achieving being in charge of the mind 🙂

cheers M 🙂

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Peppermintbach — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:24:20 GMT

Hi DB, Mathy, Brave Wings (Startingnew) and all;

Great conversation happening 🙂

Thank you, DB 🙂

Yes, your drive to help and support rings loud and clear. As I have sai before, you have a generous snd compassionate spirit 🙂 A shining star...

My little aside is I only hope you also do some (more) nice things for yourself and engage in some self care. I know you dedicate much time and heart supporting many people here, which is fantastic and we all appreciate it.

But I hope you take care of yourself too. Recharge and all that...only saying that because I care and worry about your wellbeing. Sorry, I hope you don’t mind me saying that...take no notice of me if what I’m saying isn’t relevant.

Now, back to the thread topic. Your resilience and ability to stay hopeful (to believe) is admirable. I think it can be difficult to hold onto hope when one is in the grips of depression. But I admire your determination to seek hope and light when the world is looking dark and bleak.

Caring thoughts and soul hugs,

Pepper xoxo

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demonblaster — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:05:39 GMT

Thx for as always good input Maths 👍

Yeah I was thinking when I posted about routine that it may have come across as pinpointing your situation, which from structure is what made me think of routine but was talking more in general terms. Hope you didn't think i was (wish I knew more words) yeah negating your issues which definately not ☺ but I don't think you did but just to be clear in case. We get on well but getting to know eachother too 🤗 wouldn't like any misunderstanding

Thx btw cause I as we all are learning & tho I know my personal struggles from past working with MI I mean it you bring good points to the table, people with MI have needs as everyone does but moreso.

A psychiatrist told niece who had partner with paranoid schizophrenia poor guy that

life's hard for everyone...& it's harder for people with Mental Illness.(MI) Oh yeah, hear that. Shame but in time it'll come out that so many don't know that.

Thanks again Maths your inputs valid & appreciated greatly as is your support & friendship xx

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startingnew — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:07:19 GMT

hey DB really likeing this thread!

ive had a read through and one thing id like to point out and expand more on and thats

reach out for help.

it can be one of the scariest things to do is reach out for help and support, but i also believe that its also an important part of recovery. being apart of Beyond Blue and whilst it is my main source of support, however we all need that extra offline support during our darkest hours.

a psychologist, gp, MH worker, psychiatrist are all in that catagory. other alternatives are naturopaths, kinesthogists, support groups (offline) are also in that category. we all need to reach out to those in the offline world where we can vent and share our inner demons and they can get to know us (things like knowing our names can also help to feel heard) and offer practical support and follow along with what does and doesnt work within our situation.

anyway getting back to it

Reaching out is also an important key to recovery but to make the most of both offline and online worlds the best we can

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Mathy — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:57:28 GMT

Hey DB,

I just wanted to say that it’s pretty hard to upset me, so please don’t think if you have a different opinion, that I will be offended/upset or strike you off my Xmas card list (that would be a virtual one of course 😂) if you disagree with me 🙂

Perhaps framework would be a better word than structure? What do you think/feel ? Hugs, cheers M 🙂

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demonblaster — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:58:05 GMT

Pepsimms 😅

As always your kind caring support is greatly appreciated thankyou. Got my back I know 👍ditto girl xx

Absolutely right when we're at the bottom there's no light, no hope, no desire, the beast has us where it wants us. When i was attempting in teens it was just words, had so much trouble talking bout it & when on rare occassion I did friends brushed me off, & same with a witch of a house mother in nurses home, my lovely (very lucky) parents would have listened & tried but undiagnosed BP & no idea how to express it, now cant shut me up lol. Teens around 2 yrs mostly crying & arguing with poor parents. (Guilt) I live in fear of goin under that line again & did post loss of partner. Otherwise BP takes ya deep hell everytime but lately breakthroughs

Hey sweet I know you know where I'm coming from, moreso in answer but for any readers mostly

So yeah hear that but because I'm slowly beating these mongrel demons, gunna die on top (thats the plan Stan) recently took suicide option out since loss of beloved. Hopefully help others for same

I feel passionately from hearing others too that have made it (STARWOLF xx) & here some others, with different stories we (most) have a chance at hope. Because it's lost I wanna try & help people get light back & reason.

Peps too many people are hurting so badly, it's sooo wrong aye

I HAVE to try hun, can't articulate enough the gambit of emotions sooo powerful up/down in BP so if others with their rot & me with this can do it there's hope for many, because as you know at the bottom there's none

Your nurturing beautiful soul 🤗 nah lovey not really looking after myself but am in some ways, just so bloody use to this, wayyyy too many cycles so have learnt to kinda hack it. 4am bed this morning, all niter other night but atm ok, goin by past life this'll be a monster crash but prepared & gotta remember the resolve, i WILL beat this mutt probs 3/4 yrs off but getting there

Heart thanks for your input, this is what we need as you said, "conversation" all angles.

Love 🤗☺👍

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demonblaster — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:06:29 GMT

Ha just posted to Peps & here you are, ohhh good didnt think youd be fazed but just in case.

Do they sell thick skin in shops at all?

Maybe I could borrow some, like 50mtres, boyo when i completely like myself, self esteem was beyond low, started about 9 yrs old, good ole people, mega to rebuild but gettin there full confidence is the plan, got fair bit now but our fave beasty makes sure it spreads da lurvvvv

Yeah just said to Peps we need all angles of convo

Many thx to you too Maths, your very appreciated, like what you say, read your posts when in same threads.

🤗 bigglies

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demonblaster — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:29:31 GMT

Starts ya treasure, thx dropping in & that you like this thread touching 💖 🤗

You've got a lot of wisdom my friend.

Totally agree, for many its the dark hrs that become more frightening, loneliness dunno seems harder at night, maybe can't pop out for walk & less activity around.

Took me yrs to work out why I felt low & wanted light at some peoples places who have darker rooms, pingggg, cause in deep depression it's Black in your head no light spose triggers. Lack of light does affect depression (proven esp England, dark earlier higher depression rate).

Quote. Reaching out for help.

Very true & yes we like to think we can handle this but there's so much going on, help doesn't mean weakness it actually means strength imo (in my opinion) because takes courage & showing strength to wanna get on top.

Informative well written post as with our other lovelies here much appreciated, support insight & input.

Many thx 🤗🤗🤗 1 each ☺

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startingnew — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:49:09 GMT

Hey db and everyone including those following

Thank you for your kind words. Bout time this brain worked for a good cause! My wisdom hasnt come for an easy price but if i can help others than it is worth the price ive had to pay

Yes you are right. Ive always daid reaching out for help isnt weak. It is a sign if courage and strength because accepting and admitting you ( as in ourselves) have a problen that we cant handle ourselves.

nights and mornings are often the hardest. We are at our weakest when we sleep and awaken. Sluggish and not full capacity so any mh issues not just depression take full advantage of it.

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Ggrand — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:22:47 GMT

Hi DB, Marty, Peppermintbach, startingnew and anyone else reading.

Im hoping you are all doing okay, kind thoughts for your health,

Demonblaster....

Just spotted this thread and thought I would take a look

"Depression and how to beat it".

Depression is definitely something I want to beat, I've been so frightening close to letting it beat me and win. Its really scarey what depression can make me believe and what it can tell me to do. I believe my depression when it talks to me and I listen to it and unfortunately act on it as sometimes it's all I have going around my head.

Im here for help, to try and win this personal battle of mine, it's to hard to fight it alone.

Thank you for a great thread,really full of information to help, really hating depression and am looking to learn any way I can to come out on top.

Kind thought

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demonblaster — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:05:51 GMT

😃 Welcome Grandy finally literally just posted back to you in suicide thread & suggested here & surfing urges too & kaboomb here you are. Glad & many thx for great support & appreciation everyone. Makes it worthwhile.

Gunna do in batches & stoked these lovelies you included supporting & input.

All welcome conversation suggests ideas all good.

This lovely lady people as she mentioned is on the edge and no doubt in my mind she's going to get out of the hole.

🤗 xx

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demonblaster — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:48:47 GMT

Emotional control. STRESS

MATHY this might trigger.

We all have stress at some time, many live daily with it. (Pfffttt)

I'm learning not there YET!!

Tiredness exacerbates it. Also creates it, I think cause when we're tired our body tries to lift us with adrenalin

(fight-strength/fright-??/flight-run) & maybe another chemical/hormone? It's pump.

That feeling in the chest like tension I'm pretty sure it's adrenalin, it's purpose for quick response, if it's not used imo (in my opinion) it creates stress, could be wrong, maybe it dissipates, if anyone knows different? Tho I do think theres a negative residue as a result in some form

Also being at our weakest the more tired the worse we feel, the beast works best in our that state, pulling us down constantly with negatives, nah not accepting the thoughts or thinking furthur about them helps

Aim: Keeping calm.

I've been told I'm calm under stress & as long as people don't carry on like donks I can handle fairly well. Gotta really think on this how.

Ok if adrenalins pumping in eg: emergency situation it puts us in alert, use it by focusing only on task at hand. Beast will throw anxiety, self doubt etc but our minds on something else like distraction I guess. As soon as we start thinking emotionally is when we crumble. Allow emotions later. Processing at your own pace aye Maths if you're reading which think you would be

It wants us to be angry, release yes but many feel awful later, adding more. Stress needs an out, atm I'm in BP (bipolar, high stress both ways Up/down, was feeling it in chest so took hard deep breaths in & out forcefully (maybe not for everyone) few times, worked.

Exercise: Invaluable endorphine (happies) release, when to the puffing stage same principle as hard breathing, helped lot in heavy grieving & BP. Can be done at home.

Not connecting emotion to bad thoughts

Meditation. Doesn't have to be complicated, nor for too long, hard to concentrate anyway with depression but has a calming affect.

Talking,writing,drawing, sport, creativity, colouring in books etc

Thoughts needed, but when it's deep downs too much time to think adds more stress with demons having free run.

Dunno maybe mood atm but not sure if this ones much help

Welcome thoughts & input & conversation

Cheers ☺👍

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topic Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers in Depression

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers

Understanding depression....TO BEAT IT ? Warning, Contains Triggers