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With Depression: Is it all the time?

demonblaster — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 08:05:13 GMT

Hey 🙂

I ask out of interest, learning & gathering info for my purposes which are to get on top of Bipolar (BP)
Flog the demons & when I get there thinking to public speak (Paid hopefully) & would help many.
A goal I HAVE to reach.
Our depression beyond eventually goes when we've recovered fortunately.

Questions:

Sufferers of depression:
Does it lift at times during depression?

Do you find you get depressed when tired?
(I've spoken to a few over the yrs with/out M.Illness or ? undiagnosed, but most have said no. I always have but may have been the BP.)

A Psychiatrist said the depression causes tiredness which I get why but...
I'm not so sure, I think other way round too but might be wrong, open to that

Cheers

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topsy_ — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 08:28:24 GMT

Hello demonblaster

Tiredness always sets off my depression. Initially they feel the same but after a few days it is definitely depression more than tiredness. If I avoid getting over tired my mood stays better.

Hope that helps, Lyn.

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demonblaster — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 08:47:05 GMT

Thanks nanna, yeah that's good input.

Appreciated 🙂

Yeah same about avoiding getting overtired. Very difficult to get much sleep in BP times but "normal" 🙂 times I can hack, but then pretty sure I'm getting stronger to BP lows, so could be that dunno yet

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demonblaster — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 09:07:35 GMT

Yellow do you have depression all the time as in a mental issue diagnosis? if you don't mind me asking

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blondguy — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 15:11:14 GMT

Hey DBlaster

Interesting post and thankyou

Depression can be a lifelong illness. The severity of this awful illness can be reduced by super regular therapy so we can have a reasonable quality of life

Its no different to a serious physiological illness like diabetes or heart disease. 'Happy thoughts' wont really make much of a dent in clinical depression. Therapy and if recommended meds will make a huge difference.

my best

Paul

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demonblaster — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 16:24:48 GMT

Hey Blond, thanks for reply & saying interesting post and thankyou, gave me a lift cheers 🙂 some bloody smileys look seriously goofy lol, trying to give a genuine smile 🙂
then

So all the time are you depressed or do you have times in your day that you feel ok?

Do you get much sleep?

Do/have you I'm never sure & learning here to ask things unoffensively so for now I'll spit her out but hope no harshness comes across,& definately not asking in a judgemental way just to be clear not good at articulating which I'm lately realising is common with many , it's about hearing what the persons saying aye

Anyhoo do you work on your head, changing way of thinking, working out the problem going from there.
I'm learning the hardest parts are finding the tools (what's pulling us down specifically, why) from there we can either go with it or change it. To do this I'm only in early stages but very recently starting to open my mind to new better ways of thinking. What we need to do is retrain our minds which I think with everyone, not just M.Illness there's a part of us that is a master at pulling us down, I have a strong theory on that with evidence to back it, but another time.

I'm learning the hard parts are finding & learning to work the tools I'm sure we ALL have but depression buries, doesn't mean we can't get through though.

Again thanks for reply.

I swear I'm gunna get there & apart from get paid for it, help many

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Sophie_M — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 00:02:39 GMT

Hi demonblaster, thanks for this thread and everyone for their thoughtful responses.

Learning more about how others cope with periods of mental ill health can be a great way to finding new ways of coping yourself, and the forums are all about sharing this kind of information with peers.

Just picking up on a point you made Demonblaster about using the thread to gather information for paid public speaking in the future, we just thought we'd clarify for the wider audience reading that we don't allow the forums to be used for research solicitations or commercial purposes. I'm sure that wasn't your intention at all, but we have a large audience here on the forums who read but don't take part (upwards of 80,000 unique visitors per month), and sometimes we need to clarify what this space is for so that everyone feels safe in participating and knows what they've signed up to.

Thanks again for a great thread, there is great potential here for focusing on the times when we aren't feeling low, figuring out what is happening in those moments and focusing on what is working in our lives, even if those moments are few and far between.

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romantic_thi3f — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 01:32:02 GMT

Hi demonblaster,

Thanks for your post.

Hopefully I can answer your questions! To be honest I wasn't completely sure about the first one - does it lift? Do you mean my mood? If so, then yes - sometimes. Depression varies a lot in intensity, so somedays will be better than others - like anyone I guess, but then the low mood can linger longer. Many people will find that they peak and fluctuate naturally during certain times of the day and the month - so I feel my best in the morning and my worst in the afternoon. Everyone is different.

As for the question about getting depressed when tired - yes. This is kind of a vicious cycle. For me, I struggle to get to sleep because I think too much, and then because I didn't get enough sleep I'm tired during the day.

I agree that depression can cause tiredness in itself; I read an article recently about how brain scans showed that people who were depressed took longer to get to sleep, woke frequently and had little to no deep sleep. This is why people with depression often have to be very conscious of their sleeping patterns and 'winding down' since insomnia is so commonly linked with it.

Feel free to let me know if I haven't answered your questions well enough. How does this help you with your Bipolar? Do you find difficulty in being tired as well?

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demonblaster — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 02:44:48 GMT

Sophie thanks for your support

Really appreciate how you said that thankyou.
Completely understand what you're saying and yes this is for my purposes to understand from others as well to work it all out.

Asking other sufferers i guess gives me more insight to work through it.

On saying that though when I make it which I"M GOING TO, info I'm getting here would be contributing to me learning about this which I need to understand to beat it.

But....very recently had some incredible positive things potentially going to happen, and it's been since I've lately realised I have to work way harder at my head and opening my mind.
Two VERY promising possibilities towards getting a project I've believed I can succeed with for yrs,off the ground, (My art) half way there if you believe, it's definately looking good for either or both happening, so in that case I'll be doing public speaking in a volunteer capacity. I've always since young wanted to help people & what better way than helping with crippling depression.

So what I'll do is not do it for a job. All good

I mean it thankyou for how you spoke with such respect & on point. 🙂

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demonblaster — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 10:44:42 GMT

Hi & thanks Romantic for your time and reply which yes is VERY helpful & yes the lift being better mood.

One of our main fundamental needs is enough sleep

Sleep studies via a clinical psychologist 4/5 yrs ago seems consistent today, we OMG can survive on four hrs sleep (I've known a couple & I tell ya, stress heads max, angry, tempers ) BUT that 4 hrs I think is the REM (rapid eye movement, dreaming correct if wrong 🙂 is the most important Needs to be unbroken. Yeah ya feel whacked aye. Not refreshed
Sleep: lack of brings stress on, I thinks the adrenalin
We become weaker mind & body.

Excercise helps also meditation works for many

Meditation: Distraction so the mind can relax, takes practise but worth it

I knew I needed to get this ? adrenalin out. Also causes stress
Poor concentration but achievable

I imagined a metal rod in centre of my torso with lightening size branches going out towards my sides.
Focused on the energy going down and outta the body through the branches
Didn't do it often but worked
That's how I've got the super highs down, but believe me they're great, don't wanna not have em

The cycles smash ya. It's like trying to stop a tsunami with your hands.
Tremendous but quite amazing what goes on

One of the reasons for this thread, is it's on the down exhausted side I think others do too is the worst depression but mostly it's before the high, (I'm usually both) & a mixed episode can be through the highs too.

Sleep: Doc said our bodies can only take so much then we do start sleeping but in the highs esp supers you hit the wall ..hard...but it keep pushing Does now too but not quite as exhausted.

Between cycles or episodes I sleep well, usually need about 10 hrs

Your post was interesting and informative

Thanks 🙂

Tc

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geoff — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 18:11:52 GMT

hello Demonblaster, many great replies back to you regarding your comment.
Does it lift when you are depressed, well to answer this is yes it maybe, because sometimes when you are with some friends that haved left you, where you could be having luch/dinner then there could be times when you will be able to laugh, so at that time depression is pushed into the background, but as soon as they leave then back you go into depression.
There will be days when you feel worse than yesterday, or like wise better than yesterday, it's too unpredictable, and even once you believe you have overcome depression it's still there and you could easily have a relapse, because there is no guessing or assuming when it comes down to MI. Geoff.

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demonblaster — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 21:57:55 GMT

Hey Geoff 🙂 Thanks for input (soz trying to work these dots and no:s lol, not successfully clearly 😄

Yes in BP I've found same, around people (I get very stimulated, extrovert) same, the distraction pulls me out & then ditto plunge when alone again.

Do you notice which I meant to ask chooky above that when you have worse days is it when you're more tired do you think.

What's becoming more evident is a BIG contributor is lack of sleep
Solution: ..We need to find ways to sleep better.

So far two things help. Many say same.
Excercise which also releases endorphines which ups our moods
A psych told me once that far better than anything over the counter for depression is reasonably strenuous excercise in the sun, he couldn't remember exactly what & not talking about endorphines, the sun has a reaction with the brain which helps no end.
Also we're getting light directly on us, which we need

Meditation. ( I worked my own out but the general idea is for distraction) Focusing on a peaceful place, the mind wants to go other places, but keep zoning it back to there. With practice it can be achieved.

Meds yeah but some we become use to and have placebo affect which still works, but I wanna eventually do it without meds but that's gunna be a monster to slay so in the later basket, too many demons to work on for now. Getting there though, happies about that.

I've realised recently although it's hell hard, it's in the down times we have to work so much harder to find strength, consistent with tiredness, we're weaker then.

Wondered if just to sink with it, let it run it's course (I'm talking bout the deep BP downs, but doesn't sound like the right answer aye, or continue trying to fight it, it's so hard to battle cause the mind blocks up, that dark heavy blanket encompasses.
In the exhuastion usually or extreme tiredness I am allowing myself to give into that part for recovery.

Something I've learnt recently is exactly what you're saying about being around people. A couple of times in my recent extreme low I FORCED myself to go to table tennis, (I organise it so have an obligation too) also lately went in middle of extreme to a cancer cuppa family put on and a couple of friends came too, both completely pulled me up for that period of time anyway as you were saying.
At very least we get a temporary reprieve & recent good mems to pull on.

Hope your days one of the brighter ones Geoff 🙂

Catch ya later

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geoff — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 22:42:48 GMT

hello Demonblaster, absolutely the more depressed I was I was always tired, however I have always been someone who has never had a sleep problem, I know that must hurt those that aren't able to sleep, but before I got depression I could still go to sleep anywhere.
They say that exercise is great for depression, that's what my psychologist kept telling me over the period of 20 years plus, but I told her that I couldn't even get stimulated to walk around the block, and please don't get me wrong here, because exercise has helped so many people which is really terrific.
I could never achieve meditation, but again it's helped others, so you have to find your own niche, maybe it's a bit of both these, or more concentrated on only one, that you won't know until you try them.
You maybe able to stop taking any medication, but it's not best to decide on your own, you need your doctors approval, because so many times we have heard that people stop taking them 'because they are feeling on top of the world', but the meds were doing this to them, and eventually after awhile they began to crash once again and back to square one.
If I can just say whether or not you don't like the thought of having daily medication, would depend only on how your life is, whether circumstances have improved and any of those triggers you once had are no longer there to annoy you, then it maybe possible, but for me I've been taking them for over 20 years and will continue. Geoff.

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demonblaster — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:32:55 GMT

Geoff yeah for sure what you're saying about meds, needs to be done with GP's guiding which I do & for many not an option as I mentioned 🙂

Hear you about motivation, Just starting to learn to push through that & YES very hard.
It's more effective to not put pressure on ourselves as in if you're just too blaggghhhh tired don't go, but even in those times I did push through and it lifted me a bit.
Meds help without doubt but working from within is another key to unlocking pain

Agree about people finding there own niche, trouble with depression is it pushes everything down, buries it, I'm just starting to realise we HAVE to push through it, its how we get motivated. Forcing ourselves to do what can help.

thanks for reply 🙂
Good chatting

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blondguy — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 02:09:41 GMT

Hi DB

This really is a great thread and thanks for posting back to everybody too 🙂

Sleep for me has been the common denominator for recovery and like you mentioned good quality REM sleep is always a huge boost to our ability to heal more effectively. I have studied and learned that....

Mobile phones (the artificial light) overstimulate our brain activity before bed and switched off
Laptops/ipads....same as cell phones....only stimulate brain activity. Mine are off an hour before bed
Caffeine is another trigger for rapid thinking and even more adrenal activity
Our environment....As calm and conflict free as we can make it...Not always easy to do but vital to well being
Avoiding overly negative or toxic people will also help boost our quality of life too 🙂

My symptoms have decreased in severity with AD's and super regular therapy. The huge lows are history now

Great thread DB!

I hope your day is good to you

Paul

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demonblaster — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 02:53:42 GMT

Thanks Paul 🙂 very much, really appreciate your good words and post is FANTASTIC so much info
Btw how the hell do ya get those bullets working, ya wanna see my efforts lol sadly I do now consider myself intelligent LOL butttt ...... 🙂

Truth to all above you said esp only bum around with people you feel comfortable with, that means they're probably not judging or criticising us. God knows we don't need MORE attacks on self esteem, took me an age but I worked out why I had ALL TIME LOW in teens, was (gunna have a shot at bullets here) here goes....

YESSIM sort of lol.. Bipolar's a master as is depression, cool just realised now it's the depression not BP specifically, at stripping us of self worth

Is that how it is for people with Depression? low self esteem. Anything that pulls us down is depressing so I guess yes otherwise wouldn't be as depressed. BP takes it VERY deep.
Another bullet coming....holdddd on

cursors stuck behind it...Anyway the other reason was/is some people. 95% like/care/love me & knowing this is helping me no end with self esteem, we really do need to like/love ourselves, It's us (our being) we spend the longest time with.
In vulnerable young yrs 3 different pfffttt friends put me down a lot and YES sensitive but that doesn't mean people aren't being mutts though.

I read a lot of D&M wisdom quotes which have helped no end with self esteem, sometimes ya hear someone say something or read whatever but it catches ya just at the right time
Toxic people, VALID

Coffee heard recently to have last one about 6pm I think to not be disturbed with sleep

6 yr 12 girls in England (not sure) School project did a study about effects of Wi fi
They had 12 dishes and put ? Cress seeds in them
2 rooms 6 containers in each with same conditions, light, temp, water
One of the rooms had Wi fi on, the other didn't

? 2/3 wks later

The ones in the room with Wi fi on almost all died and some had started mutating.

The ones in other room, flourished, healthy, upright boomed.

These girls have been taken seriously by prominent scientists & others in parts of the world.

They've made an important discovery, Kudos to the teacher and magic seeing young minds nutting out valuable info potentially for our survival.

Paul AD's ?

Thanks again Paul
Have a good one 🙂