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    <title>topic An apparently 'successful' person with mental illness who is struggling with the notion of going back to work – Please help in Anxiety</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello MakeTheWorldABetterPlace&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Welcome and thankyou for taking the time to post too!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I understand your situation as I have been in senior corporate for years whilst having anxiety attacks which were followed by depression and its a tough place to be in for sure. I have also take medication (AD's)  and they have given me my life back&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Returning to work can be a pain when we have a 'tired' mind. I had a community based psychiatric nurse (counselor) that asked me to see him every week......which I did and he eased me back into work....well after my sick pay had run out.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Being successful is a sign of inner strength yet we still require regular counseling during this difficult time to reduce the feelings of anxiety and/or depression&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The meds arent a fix all yet do provide a solid foundation on which we can heal more effectively The exhaustion you are experiencing is a common sign of having a 'tired' mind.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;May I ask you about the frequency of the counseling you are receiving (only if thats okay)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The forums are a Safe and non judgemental place for you to be MakeTheWorld.....&lt;EM&gt;Thankyou for being a part of the forum family &lt;/EM&gt;and having the courage to post with us &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I hope you can post back when its convenient for you&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Paul&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:47:20 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>To the outside observer I'm a very 'successful' person. I'm a single
guy, 32 years of age, I live a alone. I get on well with family. I have a few
good friends. I have a PhD. I have a job as a researcher. I have a house that
I'm paying off and a car that I own. Outside of work I haven't really had much
else one. I have done well at work, but I'm now burnt out. I have worked
extremely long hours (+weekends) doing lots of work that is itself hard to do.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
I've stopped work and taken over three months leave so far. My
diagnosis is depression (with mixed anxiety), generalised anxiety disorder,
social anxiety disorder and panic disorder. I'm seeing a psychologist and a
psychiatrist every fortnight or so. Also, I'm on medication. I have had other
medications in the past. My sick leave will be exhausted soon and for some
unclear period of time at this stage I will be on income protection while I
recover.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
After a sustained period of working hard I've become burnt out,
exhausted, cynical and anxious. This didn't come out of nowhere. I was finding
it more and more difficult to get out of bed and make the 1.5 hour or so
journey each way to work every day. This led me to increasingly arrive late or
abruptly call in sick. In the end, despite my efforts to undertake a herculean
task I was unable to finish the task on time. Nor was I able to finish the task
by the several rescheduled due dates that followed. I was spent. Exhausted. This
was 'the straw that broke the camel's back' as such.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
At the moment, I may not be 'rational', but I find it hard to imagine
going back to work: where I was; or somewhere else. The stress is just too much
to handle.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
I feel that my depression and anxiety are discounted and misunderstood a
bit because I'm ostensibly 'successful'. It has been very difficult to achieve
what I have. For the last 8 years, at the very least, I have had to deal with
the repeated fallout of working too hard (a virtue, something society praises
and admires – despite the emotional turmoil it can create). This instance is
the worst ever for me. I feel thoroughly broken. I have thought long and hard about
how to solve this problem solve. But I'm just exasperated. I spend much of my
days just sleeping at the moment.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Has anyone else struggled similarly with the idea of returning to work?
If so, what did you do and what were the outcomes? What would you suggest?</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 05:44:16 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello MakeTheWorldABetterPlace&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Welcome and thankyou for taking the time to post too!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I understand your situation as I have been in senior corporate for years whilst having anxiety attacks which were followed by depression and its a tough place to be in for sure. I have also take medication (AD's)  and they have given me my life back&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Returning to work can be a pain when we have a 'tired' mind. I had a community based psychiatric nurse (counselor) that asked me to see him every week......which I did and he eased me back into work....well after my sick pay had run out.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Being successful is a sign of inner strength yet we still require regular counseling during this difficult time to reduce the feelings of anxiety and/or depression&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The meds arent a fix all yet do provide a solid foundation on which we can heal more effectively The exhaustion you are experiencing is a common sign of having a 'tired' mind.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;May I ask you about the frequency of the counseling you are receiving (only if thats okay)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The forums are a Safe and non judgemental place for you to be MakeTheWorld.....&lt;EM&gt;Thankyou for being a part of the forum family &lt;/EM&gt;and having the courage to post with us &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I hope you can post back when its convenient for you&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Paul&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:47:20 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>Thank you for taking the time out to respond Paul. It is
great to speak to someone who has faced similar challenges and come out the
other side. I'm happy to share my experience. It may help others as well. I am
currently seeing a psychologist once every three weeks and a psychiatrist once every
three weeks too. This has been recently revised down from once a fortnight and
before that once a week.&lt;BR /&gt;
I admit, I have resisted appeals to go outside of my comfort
zone and into the world. My sporadic ventures out have had mixed outcomes. Some
good and some anxiety-inducing and unpleasant. My past response to similar
situations has been to just try my best to hardened up and bury this
emotionally unstable part of me. Provided I can carry this off, I just end up
in the same situation or worse a year or two at most down the track.&lt;BR /&gt;
Another much more complicated and difficult response would be
to make a greater effort to develop a more balanced lifestyle. However, I'm
struggling to see how I can reconcile this with work. Further, many jobs I see
advertised make me sick to the stomach with what they are looking for in their
ideal candidate. Perhaps there are some skills I need to work on to make work
more tolerable.&lt;BR /&gt;
I could learn how to routinely assert my boundaries in a way
that is subtle and palatable. I could learn how to be okay with not pleasing
certain people in my life. I could learn how to be okay with achieving less,
but still 'enough' to remain employed. In brief, I think the onus is very much
on me to heed the advice of my psychologist and psychiatrist and make the transition
back to work.&lt;BR /&gt;
Apart from work I don't really have much going on. But that
is a separate issue. I'll tried to keep this thread focused. Thank you again
for your support and including me in the forum family :).</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:36:08 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi MakeTheWorld&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You are proactive with your health which (as you know) is a huge move to having some peace in your life. Good1&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Your attitude is a amazing (&lt;EM&gt;seriously&lt;/EM&gt;)...At 32 I was still in denial and refusing meds.....which only made my anxiety/depression worse unfortunately. I am not a doc....just a guy that didnt get his anxiety treated early enough when I first started having anxiety attacks&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Just saying that I have had to let go of some of my interests and sports that I used to enjoy which has been a pain yet I have had little choice with anticipatory anxiety even with anxiety....(just for myself)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I understand where you are coming from...I joined the forums after being made 'redundant' in Jan 2016....&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You mentioned &lt;EM&gt;"I'm happy to share my experience. It may help others as well"&lt;/EM&gt;.....This is a very kind and heartfelt thought as (&lt;EM&gt;just FYI&lt;/EM&gt;) 70% of the hits to the Beyond Blue forums are 'read only' and 30% percent choose to post on the forums which is fine. You are helping more people than you know already by speaking from your own experience &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You also mentioned "&lt;EM&gt;I could learn how to be okay with not pleasing certain people in my life&lt;/EM&gt;" I have always felt the same and this is hard to do as it may go against your existing beliefs. I am still doing what I can too on this one as its in my persona to 'keep certain people happy too'....I understand and am doing what I can to nurture my own well being as a priority &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Its taken me a long time to grasp &lt;EM&gt;that our well being is paramount......and all other considerations are secondary&lt;/EM&gt;...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;you are not alone&lt;/STRONG&gt; by any means and &lt;EM&gt;you have made the world a better place&lt;/EM&gt; already and thankyou heaps &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If you see a post that you feel you can provide support....you are more than welcome! (&lt;EM&gt;if you wish to of course&lt;/EM&gt;)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;There are also many gentle people on the forums that can be here for you too MTW&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I really hope you can stick around&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;my kind thoughts&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Paul&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:50:52 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi MTW&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I apologise for the double post.....Just a note about getting back to work...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Your GP may be a great person to see for support without the protracted time frame to see a psychologist is concerned. Just fyi...&lt;EM&gt;I still see my GP every month for a 'tune up' with my mental health&lt;/EM&gt;....They can be invaluable where work issues/mental health are concerned &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Paul&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:10:46 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi MakeTheWorldABetterPlace, &lt;BR /&gt;
I feel compelled to respond to your post. I am also a post-doctoral researcher, so I can totally relate to your struggles. The nature of our job, including getting publications, funding etc., can mean long working hours. However, unlike a standard office job, we can have some flexibility in our working hours. Would that be possible for you to cut back the number of your working hours? Alternatively, would that be possible for you to work from home on some days, so you don't have to travel to work every day? Moving closer to your workplace may also be an option, if possible. It is also not a bad idea to engage with EAP for your transition back to work. &lt;BR /&gt;
I too have had times when I worked myself so hard that I got burnt out. Even though I was not diagnosed with anxiety/depression, I dreaded facing the day and going to work back then. Since I limited myself to work 9-5 during weekdays and took weekends off unless absolutely necessary, I have enjoyed work more and got more productive. I may not have offered much, but just to let you know that you are not alone. Hang in there:) &lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:07:11 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>Thank you both for your responses.&lt;BR /&gt;
I appreciate your second message Paul. That's an excellent
point about seeing my GP. He is much more available and accessible than my
psychologist. My psychologist, she's lovely, but I do have to book three weeks
ahead to see her.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Hope.for.the.best, thanks for taking the time to offer your
thoughts. These are really good points.&lt;BR /&gt;
Your completely right, the role definitely does/can offer a
lot of flexibility. Throughout my honours, PhD and the first post-doctoral fellow
position that I had (I've had 3 different post-doc positions in the first 2
years post-PhD) I did most of my work from home. Unfortunately, I struggled with
insufficient self-discipline and would too easily become all-consumed by my
research. For this reason, the flexibility was like a curse for me. I
eventually found myself yearning for the 9-5 M-F structure. In this instance
though I've just ended up staying at work after hours and coming in on the
weekends etc...&lt;BR /&gt;
Cutting back the hours of work to regular full-time hours or
even part-time hours would help as well. It would also require me to have more
self-discipline to avoid being paid for part-time hours but working full-time
hours. Something which I found to be common among short-term casual research
assistant jobs throughout my studies.&lt;BR /&gt;
Moving closer to work is something I have been conflicted
about. But you're right this would help. Financially, this isn't viable at the
moment. But this is something I'm sure I will revisit in the future.&lt;BR /&gt;
In brief, self-discipline seems to be something that I need
to strengthen to protect myself. I've had some good supervisors and mentors that
have been able to look out for me in this way. They've stopped me from taking on
too much in the past, provided me time and space to pull myself back together
when I have a mini mental crisis (nothing comparable to my recent experience
though) and helped me to rejig things so that I can cope.&lt;BR /&gt;
Engaging with the EAP is a good idea too. This isn't
something I've taken up at this stage.&lt;BR /&gt;
Enjoying work more and being more productive too really is
the epitome of what I'd like to achieve in the end.&lt;BR /&gt;
Thanks for your words of advice and support :).</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2018 07:41:16 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;When you say a lack of self-discipline, did you mean you lack the control to not work too hard? That's what I understand from your post. Your previous supervisors and colleagues were great in making sure that you did not overload yourself. Is there anyone who can do that at your current job? Sometimes, having an honest discussion with your supervisors may be helpful. You don't have to disclose in details that you are battling anxiety and depression. You can let them know that you have been working so hard that you burnt yourself out. You would need time to sort out your health and take small steps to return to work. Together, you can work out something that will benefit both parties, e.g. working from home and working half-days. &lt;BR /&gt;
You can also get your family and friends to organise some activities over the weekends. It can be something as small as a lunch gathering and walking a dog. Not only does this help you relax, but also gives you reason to not work over the weekends. It is not a bad idea to let them know how you are doing, so they can watch out for you and make sure that you do take time off work. &lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>Hi Hope.for.the.best,&lt;BR /&gt;
Yes, that's correct. I have tried to set boundaries with
work in the past but I haven't been able to maintain them. It would be good if
I had a supervisor or mentor who could help me out as you have described.
Unfortunately for me, my supervisor has moved on to another position that has
the prospect of an ongoing continuing appointment. My new supervisor is not very
approachable even though I'm sure that they would claim otherwise.&lt;BR /&gt;
I went out of the house and had lunch with my old PhD
supervisor yesterday. I discussed this issue with him too. It was the first
time I'd gone out for a while. It was hard at first, but it was great to see
him. He is good to work with and he knows and understands my ups and downs and
how to stop me from over doing it. In brief, he has offered me some part-time
work which I can do at work or at home.&lt;BR /&gt;
He also mentioned getting a dog. There have been a few articles
about the benefits of owning a dog (e.g. companionship and physical activity)
on the ABC website recently. It would also require me to live close to work and
work regular or preferably part-time hours. Scheduled catch ups with friends
and family would help too. Although, as much as I love my friends and family, I
also like a lot of alone time too.&lt;BR /&gt;
I have done a lot more in the last few days than I have done
in the last few weeks. I have been more up and about. I will see how things
transpire. But I'm feeling better about the prospect of easing back into things.
At the moment though, I feel like getting by on part-time work would need to be
the new normal. However, maybe as time passes and things change I will have
greater stamina and resilience.&lt;BR /&gt;
Thanks again for your thoughtful comments and advice. Have a
great weekend.</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2018 01:04:53 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi MTW&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thanks for taking the time to reply &lt;EM&gt;MTW !&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I understand you about boundaries (&lt;EM&gt;with all respect to HopeForTheBest's helpful posts&lt;/EM&gt;) as I have found setting boundaries can exacerbate my anxiety/depression. You are proactive with your health and that takes a ton of strength. This is the real objective....our career/work status will reflect the time and determination we place into our own well being...(&lt;EM&gt;just my opinion MTW&lt;/EM&gt;) &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;When anxiety/depression is with us I dont have the mental strength to follow boundaries and just do what I can one day at a time....A 'tired mind' can sometimes have difficulty with striving for goals and setting limits&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I hope you are having a reasonably okay weekend &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;my kind thoughts always&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Paul&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>Hi Paul,&lt;BR /&gt;
Thank you again for taking the time out to reply and offer your
thoughts. Since I have been unwell, your point has really come into focus for
me... our career/work status will reflect the time and determination
we place into our own well being...&lt;BR /&gt;
After my post earlier today, I spent the rest of the day in
bed. I was just very tired. This amount of fatigue makes me question how I could
ever function at work. Work from home for a few hours in the mid-morning (10:30am
to 12pm) and sleep the rest of the day? It seems unlikely. After all of the progress
on Friday, today has knocked me back a bit :(.&lt;BR /&gt;
It's so crystal clear for you :). It has helped me to
understand what I'm going through myself. It is comforting to know that I'm not
alone and that these experiences are shared by others. It's very true what you
say. Setting goals at the moment, I feel like I've had the wind knocked out of
me before I even get going. Similarly, sticking with boundaries is a mammoth
task for which I don't have a great track record (e.g. sticking to certain work
or leisure hours, sticking to a budget, abstaining from alcohol etc...). Approaching
things one day at a time is incredibly freeing, non-judgemental and tied to nurturing
our own well being.&lt;BR /&gt;
Hope you are having a pretty good weekend too.</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi MTW&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;you are already making the world a better place by being here with us&lt;/EM&gt;....and your posts are just as important as anyone elses on the forums including mine. I am a huge believer in 'Stopping the Stigma' like yourself &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I understand that you are proud (&lt;EM&gt;and should be&lt;/EM&gt;) of your achievements. &lt;EM&gt;You have a very strong desire to heal&lt;/EM&gt; from being in this dark place.....the exhaustion....the anguish...ugh &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;You have and will continue to make progress&lt;/EM&gt;.....and yes the roller coaster ride of the success and down periods are frustrating (understatement of the decade!)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I understand that you dont feel 'lucky' but you are as your GP's knowledge is alive and well now compared to the &lt;STRONG&gt;tiny &lt;/STRONG&gt;amount of support that was available to me in my 20's and 30's from my GP&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Your post is&lt;EM&gt; very kind&lt;/EM&gt; and &lt;EM&gt;thankyou&lt;/EM&gt; for saying what you did...You made my day!  At 32 I was a mess. Its taken me a couple of decades to learn that the earlier anxiety/depression is treated the better our recovery will be. My doctors didnt know this when I was 32..unfortunately&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Spending the rest of your day in bed or resting is fine....It can be draining working and trying to get a handle on depression/anxiety at the same time...Please dont beat yourself up on this.....Having a 'tired' mind is exhausting...yet it will take some time (and your proactive attitude) to let some peace back into your life&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You mentioned "&lt;EM&gt;Approaching things one day at a time is incredibly freeing, non-judgemental and tied to nurturing our own well being&lt;/EM&gt;" You deserve to have this frame of mind....and well said &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Setting boundaries is great.....after finding some peace. Can I ask if you have given any thought to making a double appointment with your GP? I remember how good I felt when I started to see my doc on a regular basis&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;By the way...thanks for asking how my weekend is going. I have been burning some daggy '80s tracks onto a disc (I know....a CD...lol) and working hard in the garden....I just find peace there....and with my huge Chow German Shep rescue dog....He brings me peace....They dont overthink everything the way I used to&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Great to have you with us MTW....You are an asset to the forums&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;my kindest&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Paul&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;PS...When my mind is 'tired'...I have used Sustagen Hospital Strength (from chemists) for a quick boost just fyi&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>Hi Paul,&lt;BR /&gt;
Thank you for your kind replies and support. You make a excellent
point, things are much better than they once were for people with a mental
illness. It's something younger people such as myself could take a moment to
reflect on, often not knowing what things were once like.&lt;BR /&gt;
I have yet to make a double appointment with my GP. But I
will first thing tomorrow (Monday). Your suggestion regarding Sustagen Hospital
Strength I will take up ASAP though. My diet is something which I know hasn't
been great (understatement) so this will certainly help.&lt;BR /&gt;
Your weekend sounds pretty perfect :). I still own and use
CDs too :). Good advice all around and something to aim for. Thanks again for
your support. I feel very fortunate to have received gleaned these insights. I
much more clarity.&lt;BR /&gt;
Take care.</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi MakeTheWorldABetterPlace,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Your initial post resonates with me on various levels. I am a successful person who’s has achieved a lot in a relatively short space of time. Unfortunately though, in recent times I have become quite depressed and anxious which is greatly affecting my ability to work and function. It’s taken a bit for me to accept that I have a mental health issue, but now that I have, I’m looking to get treated.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My depression and anxiety is getting worse by the day and it is affecting my ability to work and I feel I do need to take some time away from work. Unfortunately as an Executive, if I’m not there, no one can do my work and I know that if my leave is longer than a few days, possibly weeks, then I’ll be asked not to come back. Whilst I know they can’t do this, they could blame poor recent performance on their decision, of simply have a new person recruited to substitute for me that then makes it hard for me to slot back in once I’m better.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I am therefore preparing for the situation where work will not support my time off and therefore I’ll need to resign or stay on extended sick leave and therefore not have an income. This will have an even worse impact on things as I’m highly mortgaged. I do have income protection and I’m not sure how or if this will help. You mentioned in your original post that you will be claiming on your IP. Can you give some insight into how you found that process, what was involved and for how long they are likely to assist?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>Hi AnxiousExec,&lt;BR /&gt;
Thank you for your post. I will try my very best to help. Income
protection is complicated. Fortunately, in an earlier career I worked as a
financial adviser. This is my first time claiming on it myself though. I've
only just had my own claim accepted myself. I should point out that ASIC's
Money Smart website has some more information. I should also point out this
isn't personal advice unique to your situation and that it's just general
information that I've gleaned myself.&lt;BR /&gt;
Income protection can be held within your: (1) accumulation superannuation
fund or an equivalent can be provided within a defined benefit superannuation
fund; or (2) outside of your superannuation. Many people have income protection
in their superannuation fund and may not even realise it. If you have more than
one super fund around, you may have cover elsewhere as well that you might want
to hang onto (Especially if it is cover for which you've already got automatic
acceptance for, usually this is when your employer sets up your super for you
and you are given cover automatically. This can be a huge windfall for people
who already have health issues.).&lt;BR /&gt;
Income protection pays a taxable benefit (usually 75% of
your gross taxable income, sometimes 85% (although the additional 10% usually
refers to super contributions)) if you're unable to work due to a sickness or
injury (note it's quite broad, but it does have to be for a sickness or injury
(not unemployment)) for a benefit period of:&lt;BR /&gt;
(1) up to 2 years; or &lt;BR /&gt;
(2) up to 5 years; or&lt;BR /&gt;
(3) up to age 65 (some may go a bit higher than this).&lt;BR /&gt;
(Note: income from investments does not usually impact your
benefits paid.)&lt;BR /&gt;
There is a waiting period. The waiting period, at least in
my case, started when the continuous period of absence from work for the illness
started. This was when my GP first provided me a medical certificate for time
off work for the illness, depression and anxiety it was for me.&lt;BR /&gt;
The waiting periods can be as short as 14 days. But other
standard waiting periods are 30 days, 60 days, 90 days and 2 years.&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
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      <description>For people who have income protection in their
superannuation it is common to have a 90 day waiting period and a 2 year
benefit period. I have noticed in some cases that even though you may have a
benefit period of 5 years in the fine print they may limit mental health benefit
periods to 2 years for example. As an aside, for some reason my psychiatrist
and psychologist had the view from other patients that the benefits were only 6
months or so in duration so this may be the case in other instances I'm not
sure. Also, they may have been thinking about workers compensation claims.
Workers compensation claims are unfortunately hardly worth the pain from what
I've heard. Firstly, there is little benefit to you if you already have income
protection as one will offset the other. Secondly, the process is arduous and
the benefits a relatively small. Where I work/worked the employer self-insures
and the maximum benefit period is 6 months, at least on the face of it. They
also state that they settle 'most' claims in 3 days. Mental health claims would
be an exception though I strongly suspect.&lt;BR /&gt;
If you are considering a claim. I would phone the insurance
company or the super fund and find out what you need to claim sooner rather
than later. Also, my understanding is that you want to be employed at the very
least when you claim. My super fund was good, they sent me out everything I
needed to fill out and then I sent the information to them and they lodged the
claim with the insurance company. Then you're relationship turns into one with
the insurance company. In my case within 14 days they had made a decision
(apparently it can take longer though). For me as well it was an extremely
important decision and a very tense time. I would check that your cover isn't
about to change automatically for some reason. Sometimes there are inbuilt
features where as your age increases your level of cover decreases. You would
want to stop this now. Getting insurance after you have a diagnosis will be
difficult. You could be excluded from cover entirely or charged 2-4 times as
much.&lt;BR /&gt;
For the income protection claim one of the many forms you'll
have to provide will be a report from your treating psychiatrist. Other
information you'll need is any information about stays in hospital for your
illness, your GP's details and your psychologist's details (only if you're
seeing someone else apart from your psychiatrist that is).&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
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      <description>You've described a really unsupportive and cut-throat
environment. I am sorry you have to endure that. It sounds like a harsh reality.
I would suggest getting treatment ASAP. Sick leave with pay if possible or sick
leave without pay if you have to :(.&lt;BR /&gt;
Throughout this process I have sought to run down any accrued
savings or surplus payments I've accrued on water and energy bills. I have also
cut back on the levels, amounts and types of insurance cover. For health
insurance I was given a temporary discount. I've changed to monthly or
quarterly payments where I used to do annual payments. I have finally started
using those accrued loyalty points with various places :).&lt;BR /&gt;
While you're still working this is when you can make
borrowing decisions. After that as you might expect, borrowing becomes
difficult, if not impossible (something I'm considering as I look at downsizing
myself).&lt;BR /&gt;
Longer term you would hope that you've recovered and you're
back up and running. However, I have read about an increasing number of mental
illness-related claims being made for total permanent disability. This is a
lump sum payment if you satisfy a very specific definition. There are generally
two types. One is you are totally and permanently disabled and unable to
perform your 'own occupation' and other more common one (especially within
superannuation) is that you are totally and permanently disabled and unable to
perform 'any occupation'. Obviously, you would hope that you never have to
claim on these, because you'd clearly be in a pretty bad state.&lt;BR /&gt;
The only other safety net that I can think of is Disability
Support Pension and the Sickness Allowance (note for the Sickness Allowance you
need to still have a job to go back to). Note both Liberal and Labor
governments have over the last eight years dramatically cut access to the
disability support pension, cutting the approval rate from 63% to about 30%
this financial year (According to The Guardian). I think it is also
particularly tough if you are applying on the basis of mental health. And Newstart
Allowance is not made for people with poor health so it's a very tough
situation potentially :(. I will save you from my rant, but we need a more
compassionate society.</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;I am a former senior lawyer - that ended over 10 years ago after an almighty struggle to sustain it on my behalf. I have 2 Honours degrees and had significant standing. But an ever escalating struggle with anxiety from age 5 with depression added in as I got older (I'm now 51) - despite every treatment in the book - eventually led me to the realisation that what I was intellectually cut out for was not what my mind (for want of a better term) was capable of. The anecdote I might use is that of a very good footballer whose body just incurs injury after injury until doctors advise him he was not cut out (physically) for the game. I am &lt;STRONG&gt;not &lt;/STRONG&gt;of course saying you are in this boat. By all means fight like hell and try everything to achieve your goals - I guess I would just add to keep an eye all along on your overall health and wellbeing - that you are not doing undue damage to yourself along the way.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Finally, and this is on a slightly different aspect of being a professional with anxiety. The vexed question of whether to "come out" as a person with serious anxiety to colleagues. In law, which is so competitive, I don't think it would have been an option. However, in other fields, and depending on your workmates, it may be worthy of consideration as you may find an unexpected source of support. It is discussed in this brief article (I read in the rules links aren't allowed but I'll give it a go!) https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/coming-out-as-anxious/?ref=opinion&amp;amp;_r=0&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Cheers.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thanks MakeTheWorlABetterPlace for the in depth response. I have quite a good Income Protection policy that pays until 65, but you mention that some have a mental illness cap, so I will need to check if mine does as well. Thank you for that tip.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;However what does concern me, and what I have gleaned elsewhere, is that most claims are only for 3-6 months which seems to be an acceptable range for insurers to pay. On the one hand I’m hoping that with a few monthd off I will be in a better head space to get back at doing what I love and engaging properly with the world, but on the other hand I know I won’t be going back to the same job and this therefore would  place me in the realm of unemployment. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It’s like a double edge sword - I stay and deteriorate mentally and possibly face dismissal from poor performance or I take leave and get better but then do not have a job to return to.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Whilst I appreciate an employer can not legally dismiss you for taking certified sick leave, the reality is that in executive roles, if you are not there then someone else can simply not be rostered on or step up to the role. Its either you doing it or they need to get someone else and if it’s someone else, it’s likely that when you return (especially after 3 months) that person will remain and you’ll get pushed to the sideline and pushed out.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;This is what worries me and ramps up my anxiety. I’m not sure what, if anything, one can do. &lt;/P&gt;</description>
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      <description>Thanks NMTB and AnxiousExec for your replies.&lt;BR /&gt;
I have "come out" at work myself and there is no
going back. I regret coming out myself. Despite a lot of marketing material by
my employer about the importance of mental health, where the rubber meets the
road, it's still a very harsh and competitive environment. For me, just by
acknowledging that my sick leave was due to burn out my promotion has ended up
with a question mark over it (despite a very strong case on all KPIs).
Similarly, I don't think this is allowed, but my immediate supervisor has
direct and indirect influence which can just make things happen. Further,
because clients' deadlines are usually pretty tight other people are already
doing my work. My assessment is that it's a life changing decision to take time
off work to get treatment. Changing how you think about things can help lessen
the shame you may find you burden yourself with unnecessarily. As you might
expect the longer you take off work, the less likely you are to return to work.&lt;BR /&gt;
A few years ago, I was not so bad, I seemed okay with just
seeing my psychologist and the medication that the GP gave me. AnxiousExec, I
would suggest getting a referral from your GP to see a psychiatrist and see
what they advise. Every medication I've been on has had a few common
side-effects that are most pronounced over the first few weeks (for me at least).
These side effects when I first experienced them made me wonder how anyone
works with these medications. It did dissipate though. The medication can take
4 to 6 weeks to start to have an impact. And then you might have to change the
doses and/or type(s) of medications. If you're not able to function at work
though and things seem like they'll only get worse I would urge you to take
action and see a psychiatrist. Psychiatrists are doctors that specialise in treating
mental illnesses and they can prescribe medications, but they can also provide
psychotherapy (e.g. Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT)). A psychologist will
provide psychotherapy alone. Ultimately, if you need to take time off work I
would do it. Life is too short to spend it as an emotional mess. And if you do
find yourself in a very dark place (e.g. suicidal ideation etc...) the choice
to take time off work is even easier.&lt;BR /&gt;
I hope this helps.</description>
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