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CrashCoyote — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:42:37 GMT

This thread is designed for people that are lonely, or bored, or just want to exercise their mind a bit. It only has three rules. It is not a place to discuss our issues (everywhere else on the site is for that!), it is not for people to use their own situation as an example - if you want to make a point, be objective and, it is not personal, so just respect everyone's point of view and let's play a bit of Devil's Advocate along the way.

I'll kick it off.

If we accept the Darwinism and the Big Bang theory, everything originated from an explosion of all known matter in the universe from an unimaginably hot ball. If everything was made of inanimate particles; How was life created?

Kind regards, John.

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white knight — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:45:20 GMT

Hi John

Hydrogen, oxygen, other elements, ideal temperatures, planet rotation, moon for waves .....and the tax man. = life as we know it.

Tony WK

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CrashCoyote — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:21:55 GMT

Too easy, my friend. How did the transformation from not being life to being life happen? I mean, at one point there was no life, the next there was. No random mix of atoms can create life. Surely?

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Frann — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:50:06 GMT

Is this going to be a debate between science and religion? Could the sun have helped by stiring up these molecules?

What is your theory CrashCoyote? How did we get here? And please - why?

ciao

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CrashCoyote — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 06:13:31 GMT

I really don't know. I have always been partial to evolution over creationism but am really wondering how there isn't life and then there is.

The definition of a theory is that it is provable, otherwise it is conjecture at best. So if it is possible to create life can we demonstrate how or are we just not that advanced yet?

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Frann — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:50:05 GMT

Even the pope is now saying its a bit of both!

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turtl3 — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:15:22 GMT

Just because we are the first known living organism to document, and HAVE documents of proof, of life (given that the bible wasnt just a story written by some bloke, and given to a suicidal mate to give him something to believe in and not commit suicide). It doesnt mean that we are AND/OR were the first.

I personally believe in evolution, and thats not simply limited to man kind.

Given the vast size of the university and how little we actually can, and do know about it with our current technology, i like to think that we are merely an 'ant farm' to a greater life form.

I myself, cannot fathom the idea of creation, given how many different religions there are, and how many different gods they follow, and none of them recognise the others!?! so i pose the question - which is 'THE RIGHT ONE' (if any?)

look how quickly we have advanced in recent years regarding technology, given that millions of years ago we were simply 'cavemen' chasing dinosaurs, yet to discover fire and the wheel. But in the last 100...we have designed cars and engineered electricity, in the last 50 televisions and radio, last 10-15, internet and mobiles, last 5, smartphones and wireless technology...bluetooth, infrared, we now have thingys that detect our pulse and how much energy we burn and communicate with our smart phones to tell us!

NOW!- I'm no rocket surgeon or brain scientist, but after having watched 'through the wormhole' - narrated by Morgan Freeman. My mind was tying itself in knots trying to grasp everything he 'babbling on about'

Maybe I'm biased, maybe not, I'm not an atheist, but I am agnostic...Ive been to church, and I think that there may be a creator, but until im gone, and end up in the hot center or the cool clouds...im going to stick with evolution, simply because there are too many religions/gods to be able to pick one, and be guaranteed reincarnation - - -which i also like to think would be fun.

If i could come back, I would come back as MY dog...SHEESH - talk about an easy life!? i nick-name him compost...he gets anything and everything that's safe to feed a dog, plus we rescued him from a terrible place. probably why hes so affectionate/sooky... walks every other day...choice of 3 beds. BONES, BISCUITS, TREATS, SNACKS, TRAINGING, THE BEACH, He must be in DOG HEAVEN!

Oh wait, what religion is my dog? Guess hes just stuck here with us living the good life 🙂

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Frann — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:09:53 GMT

Thumbs up tyrtl3 - like!

My dog probably hangs out with yours!

Christine

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white knight — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:22:23 GMT

x2 for turtl3. too right

Now lets get a little perspective here John. Until a few weeks ago all astronomers believed the universe was one universe. Now, with the help of that greatest brain of all time Steven Hawking, we now know there is thousands or millions of universes.

For those that are not astronomically savvy, if you travelled near the speed of light 286,000 miles a second, you wouldnt go anywhere near the end of our universe in your lifetime. It is so huge I struggle to fathom how huge.

What does this have to do with your question John?

That questions about these things will always haunt us humans.

Just like why people still go hungry. Along with why politicians want more populations in the name of "growth". eg for more income to make the rich richer and the poor more hungry.

And we are the smartest race????

Tony WK

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geoff — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:08:05 GMT

dear All, the big question ' How was life created', well if you google this question which John has asked, there are many theories, which have been explained by all types of beliefs, as is how were the pyramids built, again so many different ways, so which one do we believe in with the emphasis on John's question, the practical, physical, scientic, religious and this includes by being an atheist, which I am now, but once before I did believe in some god, because it was pushed onto me at school, but there are so many unanswered questions.

So how did the human race begin, by Adam and Eve, so were they blinked down to earth, but didn't the homosapien race begin by us being monkeys and then progress into who we are now, just saying.

The astromers have now found another planet, mega the size of earth and humteen times so much hotter than earth, so the universe is gienormous, we don't know.

So back to the question, 'how was life created', I'm just a layman and have no idea, so my mind is open, but I favour what the scientists or perhaps astromers have to say, but I know that I won't have 2014 birthday celebrations.

Sorry if I have offended anyone, and please criticise me if you want. Geoff.

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Frann — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:34:40 GMT

WK - agree about Stephen Hawkin, the professor makes sense .He simply argues that evidence points out (laws of physics) that the universe can pop into being from absolutely nothing, that there was no time before the creation of the universe and so that would mean no time for Grand Designer.

Evolution by natural selection is the only workable theory ever proposed that is capable of explaining life, and it does so brilliantly ( Richard Dawkins) - he rocks! Pun not intended!

In my opinion - Science explains everything but a little spirituality ( believing in whatever takes your fancy) can help us mere mortals sometimes just get by.

Layman here too Geoff!

Frann ( the old Christine)

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CrashCoyote — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:23:03 GMT

My friend Geoff, we are here to play the ball, not the man! You'll get no criticism from me. I'm just enjoying reading posts like the ones on here and considering the views of everyone. 🙂

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geoff — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:00:35 GMT

dear John, it's the wonders which we won't know, especially at my age, and no different than having to give our iphones to my kids and ask them to do this or that, but then I explain to them that when they get older they will be doing exactly the same with their children, so the process of life just carries on.

Technology changes or improves as time passes, but when you look at my Dad who was born 1919, just imagine how much his world has changed from the copper to wash his clothes, the little 'austin of england' with the small arrow that popped out to turn a corner, to microwaves and the list goes on.

One thing I have never known is who was Donald Duck's parents, and the same with Mickey Mouse, Goofy parents. lol Geoff.

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Frann — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:43:42 GMT

Hi Geoff,

Talking about technology -I'm never going to get it right- thought I would be clever and upload a profile picture and it's only showing the top half! LOL sometimes at your self I say!

Have a great day!

Frann

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CrashCoyote — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:24:47 GMT

Hi Geoff,

Google and you shall find! I was intrigued by your question and Googled "Who are Donald Duck's parents". The Disney mob have a whole lineage on there. I won't spoil the surprise for you, but it is there!

Kind regards, John.

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Frann — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:37:38 GMT

How did we get from the theory of evolution to this? Instead of working I find myself looking up Donald Ducks parents.....Thanks for the distraction John!

hahahehe

Frann

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CrashCoyote — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 02:57:54 GMT

Now tell me what came first, the chicken or the egg? I have a strong argument it was the egg. Do you want to know more..............

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Frann — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 03:31:05 GMT

Go on , I always thought probably the chicken...

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White_Rose — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:29:23 GMT

Hello Everyone

John said "If we accept the Darwinism and the Big Bang theory, everything originated from an explosion of all known matter in the universe from an unimaginably hot ball. If everything was made of inanimate particles; How was life created?" The scientists say that atoms etc combined to create clusters that combined etc etc etc. In this case we are nothing but a collection of chemicals.

Can anyone tell me where the "known matter" came from? It's generally accepted that the Earth and its flora and fauna evolved over 7.5 billion years.(May have the exact number wrong). But where did the original matter that started this evolution process, come from?

This is the critical question that anti-creationists must answer.

Also, if we are only a collection of chemicals where does our humanity, our love, our feelings, our spirituality and our creativity come from? It certainly separates us from the rest of the life on Earth.

Mary

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CrashCoyote — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:33:06 GMT

Hello Mary,

That is my point. I have always believed in evolution (and it has some pretty compelling evidence to support it) yet the question of how life, or indeed consciousness arose, is one I cannot find the answer to. (Except of course for creationism.) It may be the one issue on which the two beliefs turn.

Kind regards, John