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1113 — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:58:07 GMT

Peaceful greetings one and all,

Come in and sit down.

Bring your mind and leave your worries at the door.

No Judgement "just " open doors.

There is no wrong or right.

Feel free to express your views.

Any subject, any time.

Except I may not reply straight away.

You may not want to reply at all.

Leave your mind open for change.

Feel free to philosphize amongst yourself.

Young, old, male, female, any race, religion or belief.

You can express your thoughts anyway you like. Song, poems, stories, wit, profile pics, numbers etc etc.

However you like, because is your life, your view, your words.......

We must try and stay on topic.

Until we all feel that topic concluded.

Unless the topic changes direction.

No rules.

Anyone want to start?

Peace and equality to all.

1113

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1113 — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:24:55 GMT

New topic...............

GENDER EQUALITY...............I believe all should be treated equal................

Gender equality, also known as sex equality, gender egalitarianism, sexual equality, or equality of the genders, is the view that everyone should receive equal treatment and not be discriminated against based on their gender. This is one of the objectives of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which seeks to create equality in law and in social situations, such as in democratic activities and securing equal pay for equal work. In practice, the objective of gender equality is for people to acquire, if they so choose, equal treatment throughout a society, not just in politics, the workplace, or any other policy-designated sphere. - WIKIPEDIA.

Some thoughts..........

Combating gender stereotypes and sexism

Preventing and combating violence against women

Guaranteeing Equal Access of Women to Justice

Achieving balanced participation of women and men in political and public decision-making

Ok they are thoughts.....anyone have more thoughts.....anyone want to make some questions?

I'll leave it open.........

Peace

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1113 — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:13:06 GMT

More thoughts; from my perspective as a male single parent.

Can a male raise a child as well as a female?

Is child raising help mainly related to the female prospective?

Is it a primary female instinct?

Can men have feminine intuition? Or is this seen as iffy?

I might reseach more about mammal carers...........

This is interesting me.....

Any other perspective?

I'll leave it open......

Peace

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topsy_ — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:36:25 GMT

Re: gender equality

I was a single mum to 3 daughters. One Christmas I decided to give the girls a Tonka truck each instead of dolls. They sat outside in the sandpit rusting away.

Next Christmas I thought fishing rods were the go. Until....... I realised if they ever caught a fish I was the one who was going to have to deal with it! Me? A butchers daughter? What did I know about fish?

Result - I gave them a doll each instead. Attempt at gender equalisation...... OVER!!!!

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1113 — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:33:14 GMT

Thank you yellownanna,

Your perspective was very appealing.

I read 3 daughters, no boys and gender equalization over.

I'll leave it open for another prospective.........

Peace

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blondguy — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:40:09 GMT

Hi Matt

Yellownanna .....a realist....and good on her...

Preventing and combating violence against women.....A valid and important topic. There are a ton of males that take out their anger on a female partner. There are also many males that are victims of (domestic) violence too...I am one of them.

Even during/after a verbal disagreement there is no justification for violence from one partner to another no matter the gender. I have never laid a hand on a female (or male). I am 87 kilos and have been bashed by a 45kilo female partner after a verbal disagreement. Admitted to hospital for 24 hours with many stitches on my head...paramedics...time of work...etc etc. 2kilo glass vase thrown from 3 meters to my head....ouch!

The violence towards women is a disgrace..........The violence from women towards men is just as vile

Great post Matt with a plethora of subject titles too! I just thought I'd support the guys that have been victims of physical violence from a female.

Life experience speaks volumes

kind thoughts

Paul

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1113 — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:49:38 GMT

Hi Paul,

I read pride being swollowed. Its hard for a male to admit stuff like that. I was emotionally abused in a relationship, taken for a ride. No violence but feel your prespective.

Gender equality being 2 sided. True.

I might add that this is not judgement. Sight that i see.

Lets see another prespective.......

Peac3

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1113 — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:27:32 GMT

New questions....

Is gender equality about making everyone the same?

Or is it respecting each gender equally?

Is violence physical or emotional good in gender equality?

I'll leave it open......

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Kazzl — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 20:42:09 GMT

Hiya Matt - great thread! I'm not touching gender equality sorry because the lack of it pushes my buttons big time. Old fashioned hairy-legged humourless feminist and mother and step-grandmother of daughters here, no prizes for guessing my thoughts. As for violence - violence is violence, no matter who perpetrates it.

I would like to broach another subject close to my heart - marriage equality. I'll give my thoughts from a personal perspective.

I have two adult daughters, my eldest lives in the UK, but if they chose to come home, this would be the situation:

Both my children can work, pay taxes, set up home with a partner, raise children, belong to the military and fight for our country overseas, stand for parliament, get arrested if they break the law, buy property, contribute to the economy, worship at a church, join professional associations, be teachers, be doctors, contribute to the community, be volunteers, be Australian of the Year even.

Only one of them can marry the person they love. They are equal in every other way. Why the difference, on something so fundamental?

Cheers

Kaz

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1113 — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 20:52:33 GMT

Hi zazzl,

I read your desire and passion for equality.I believe in choice. If we can all live in equality the world would be a happy place. 😊

Im all for equal rights across the board in equality. This issue with bias is the wedge placed that separate veiws.

You have definitely raised more questions which will be looked into.

I wrote a story this morning which I'm going to post that may look contradictory to this belief. Believe me it's not.

This is only the sight I saw with my eyes this morning.

Peace.

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1113 — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 20:57:32 GMT

My morning walk story in relation to mammal natural gender Equality. Written in the mist of glory. Zen the entire 1.5hr journey. A gift in return........
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The lion and the eagle

My walk this morning with Amber.

It started at 6am the temperature was cool yet amazingly comfortable. The fog was nicely floating along the ground. I felt like an eagle soring high on the clouds. While soring high on clouds I saw a golden lion (Amber).

My walk drew me to water which had a light layer of mist shimmering across the surface. The black Swans had 2 signet with mother and father ahead. Know not of anything except nature. Ducks galore floating like prince's and Princess's of the natural water world. In the mist I spotted a mysterious creature swimming like a mammal in the mist of glory. I assume it was a rare water rat.

I continue my walk and find webs of spiders all throughout the high grass with dew aloft sparkling like small diamonds in the presence of the glorious sun.

I continue my walk to stumble upon a lofty kangaroo. Bounding across the landscape Jumping clean over a country fence with easy of comfort. Naturally living in the environment long before our time. With not a worry in the world.

The sun has been hammering the water line. Visible to the eye's judgment. Reducing by meters in mere weeks. The sun is like a red beak of a beautifully elegant black Swan. Harsh enough to make sure that the new year grass dehydrated out of sight.

Turtles float under water and pierce there tiny head breaking the surface every so gently for air.

The loin when warm dips in the waters to cool and drink. Not natural to the environment, still has no harmful effects. The human walked calmly with gum staff in hand.

Now the insect world awakes.

Equality sublime naturally. Where gender have one reason. The Eagle with wings stretched views their entire bliss.

Harmony. Reference to Animals.

Peace

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1113 — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 21:01:25 GMT

New questions,

Does sexual choice classifying help with Equality?

Should sexual preference be seen as a societal issues?

Or does classing people create a wedge that creates tension?

I'll leave it open........

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1113 — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 20:15:05 GMT

I'm going to conclude my perspective on equality in general.

The more I think the more I find that words are our problem...............

Anyone have another topic?

I'll leave it open........

Peace and Equality

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1113 — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:01:47 GMT

Greetings fellow philosophers,

New topic.............Ancient Tao Te Ching philosophy on life.

"Tao Te Ching

Chapter One

Tao (The Way) that can be spoken of is not the Constant Tao’

The name that can be named is not a Constant Name.

Nameless, is the origin of Heaven and Earth;

The named is the Mother of all things.

Thus, the constant void enables one to observe the true essence.

The constant being enables one to see the outward manifestations.

These two come paired from the same origin.

But when the essence is manifested,

It has a different name.

This same origin is called “The Profound Mystery.”

As profound the mystery as It can be,

It is the Gate to the essence of all life."

During my spiritual retreat I have been finding my true self by doing soul searching. I have read some interesting chapters out of the bible. I have started a "who am I" philosophical application of thought.

I have decided to share some of my findings and research that I feel may be helpful for reconnecting with ones true nature.

The Tao Te Ching is one of my favorite inspirational reads of all time. It is so profoundly written that it is relatable to thought today.

"The Tao Te Ching (or Daodejing, in pinyin) is a classic Chinese Taoist text dating from at least the fourth century BC. According to tradition it has its origins even earlier, around the sixth century BC." - google.

This story and meaning are very similar to the beliefs written in many religious/beliefs historical data.

Can anyone relate to chapter one?

I feel this philosophical story is best read backwards to be able to understand chapter one. - my honest opinion.

I'll leave it open............

Peace

Matt

Back to my retreat. Chat soon.

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Just Sara — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:13:02 GMT

Hey Matt and others reading;

You've written up quite a storm in the last few posts, however I'm finding them somewhat overwhelming.

Eastern philosophy can be complicated when set out so sporadically. So maybe sticking to one subject might serve your purpose better. What I mean to say, is that one category such as gender equality (as previously) leaves the door open for 'layman' perspective. Kaz makes a good argument for marriage equality, but no-one has replied yet; so I'd like to.

The word 'Equality' is deceptive; how can gender's be equal? Everything in the Universe is 'different' for a reason. We're supposed to be 'complementary' not equal...yin and yang.

Light/dark, left/right, up/down etc. Now, one could make a point of saying male/female and they'd be physically correct re procreation, however, you've used the terms; sexual choice and preference. Homosexuality is not a choice, it's an inherent quality within some individuals from birth. Further more, it's found in the animal kingdom without argument.

The problem begins when governments and religion only focus on 'sexuality' instead of the whole person. This stupid ideology is based on age old religious fundamentalism, which our government is supposed to set aside when creating policy; we're not a religious state.

When 2 same sex people love and complement each other as individuals, marriage policy then tells us discrimination is allowed; how so? We're allowed to live together, have sex together, (which isn't against the law now, at least in this country) have children together and are equal as individuals in all legal situations. But the moment marriage is mentioned, everything changes.

Yes, this is a political argument, but it's also a human rights issue. This isn't about gender equality, it's about identity and our rights as voting community members. Sex and politics don't mix.

That's my 2 cents worth.

Sara

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1113 — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 23:55:22 GMT

Hi Sara,

Thanks for your perspective. You are absolutely correct. I don't mind going back to readjust my veiw.

Choice was incorrect. Preference too. Also right at the same time.

How do you feel about the naming of such "rights" being a wedge that tends to separate veiws?

I truly appreciate yours and anyone's veiw on this and any topic for that instance.

Peace

I must be back to my retreat

Matt.

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Just Sara — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 00:54:50 GMT

Hey Mattie;

Firstly, I'm concerned about your reference to my comments re homosexuality not being a preference or choice as 'Also right at the same time'. Could you elaborate on this please?

'How do you feel about the naming of such "rights" being a wedge that tends to separate views?'

I'm assuming you mean Human Rights?

When I worked as a correctional officer, I did a report on the difference between an inmate's Rights vs Privileges. This took networking with co-workers as well as inmates to get a more grounded and broad overview. What came out of my report, was that privileges are earned, and rights are there to support life equal to what society says is acceptable.

Modern philosophy associated with our humanity is based on our right to life; that, we're valuable just for being born. So, anything that promotes life could be interpreted as our right. If I'm born female, Aboriginal or homosexual, what depicts my right to life?

It might be seen as a privilege to be born into a wealthy family, and in some countries as a male. What about a country with natural resources such as water? However, if that water is only available to the wealthy or armies for instance, is that not an injustice?

Ah...there's that word; 'justice'. What is just? What is right vs wrong? That's what you're getting at isn't it? That's the wedge isn't it Matt...interpretation.

The door's open Matt...go for it!

Sara

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1113 — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 02:30:38 GMT

Hi Sara,

I'm a little concerned you feel as though I was personally attacking you. I humbly apologize if you felt that way. It seems I feel that way now too. Do you think you could apologize?

My conclusion was "words" are the issue. The "right" being a word. That you had an issue with.

Feel free to philosophies with yourself as I will be ignoring you because of your blanant disrespect for me as an individual an the open mindness of this philosophical thread.

Peace

Matt.

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Chris_B — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 02:42:04 GMT

Hi everyone, I don't like stepping in here but this thread really isn't going anywhere helpful or productive, and it's not really in the spirit of the "chill out" space that threads in the BB Social Zone are supposed to be about. We're going to close this one off, I'm afraid.

Given the sensitive nature of some of these topics, that text can easily be misread, and that we're all prone to a bit of anxiety here on the BB forums, perhaps these discussions are best had on another forum?

Have a great day everyone.